Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x05 - "Charades"

[Farscape One]

Well, humans already have such a term. It just wasn't typically used in polite company though that is changing.

Yes, the term is 'stuck up bitches'. I often encountered those kind of people when I was in retail. Far too often.

It's an accurate term, and it worked for ages. There was no need to reinvent the wheel on calling out people who are like that.

 

[fireproof78]

Yes, the term is 'stuck up bitches'. I often encountered those kind of people when I was in retail. Far too often.

It's an accurate term, and it worked for ages. There was no need to reinvent the wheel on calling out people who are like that.

Exactly.

Saw it all the time in retail.

 

[Tuskin38]

has apparently reinvented itself to be a comedy show

Two comedy episodes doesn't make the entire series a comedy show.

I live the show, but this us the first episode I'm skipping. I'm just so tired of T'Pring. We already know the relationship fails, so how can I care?

It's the journey not the destination.
We all know Pike is going to end up in a beeping chair, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy his stories now.

I'm not sure there has been an episode of SNW that has been so divisive up till this point.

It's Divisive? The ratings say otherwise.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Suggesting that I rewatch Star Trek is a bit unnceccesary. There is no need to resort to personal attacks when discussing a fictional television show.

'We know more and are more experienced.' I cannot agree with you that that is textbook racism.

If that was the case then it would be arguable that all parents are racist, as are all teachers etc.

How is what I said a personal attack? It was a serious suggestion. Review the material and maybe see something you might have missed. I know I’ve benefited from rewatching episodes and discovering things I totally missed the first few times.
Context. Parents aren’t usually of a different race or species. So not a good analogy.Teachers can be and those differences can lead to problems. The more apt analogy would be colonial powers in places like Africa, Asia and the Americas.

 

[Mudd]

Suggesting that I rewatch Star Trek is a bit unnceccesary. There is no need to resort to personal attacks when discussing a fictional television show.

I think he was just puzzled that you have very detailed opinions about Vulcans but don't appear to have noticed how Sturgeon portrayed them in "Amok Time." Most people who've actually written for the shows picked up on tneir imperious chauvinism and emotional pride, rather surprisingly.

 

[Tallguy]

Whilst i do appreciate the mother-in-law horror angle, I do think its a bit of a stretch to see vulcans portrayed like this.
We have seen an air of superiority at times to be sure, but even in Enterprise early episodes, they were not racist like this, rather a radically over protective parent.

T'Pau (All of Vulcan in one package):

Spock, are our ceremonies for outworlders?

It is said thy Vulcan blood is thin. Are thee Vulcan or are thee human?

 

[Mudd]

T'Pau (All of Vulcan in one package):

Spock, are our ceremonies for outworlders?

It is said thy Vulcan blood is thin. Are thee Vulcan or are thee human?

You know, the worst of what T'Pau did was that she led Kirk into a death match by withholding information from him knowing full well that he was unaware of what he was agreeing to.

One sentence was all it would have taken. "Kirk, this combat is to the death." Then let him decide. But no, she waited for McCoy to tease it out of her. That must have been fun.

What was with her? She get off at watching gladiatorial slaughter? Seems the Vulcan aristocracy were sadistic bastards. Made the Triskelions look like saints.

 

[Ovation]

You know, the worst of what T'Pau did was that she led Kirk into a death match by withholding information from him knowing full well that he was unaware of what he was agreeing to.

What was with her? She get off at watching gladiatorial slaughter? Seems the Vulcan aristocracy were sadistic bastards. Made the Triskelions look like saints.

Clearly Ron Tracey was right. Vulcans are devils.

(Brought to you by Canon, makers of photocopiers, cameras, and keepers of the holy writ of Trekdom).

 

[Nerys Myk]

You know, the worst of what T'Pau did was that she led Kirk into a death match by withholding information from him knowing full well that he was unaware of what he was agreeing to.

One sentence. "Kirk, this combat is to the death." Then let him decide. But no, she waited for McCoy to tease it out of her. That must have been fun.

What was with her? She get off at watching gladiatorial slaughter? Seems the Vulcan aristocracy were sadistic bastards. Made the Triskelions look like saints.

“The air is the air, What can be done?”

 

[Tuskin38]

https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1681710499317022743
There's a device in Sickbay that's very similar to a device in TOS Sickbay

 

[fireproof78]

They're still using pipettes?

 

[cooleddie74]

https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1681710499317022743
There's a device in Sickbay that's very similar to a device in TOS Sickbay

I love this show so much.

 

[Nyotarules]

I'm not sure there has been an episode of SNW that has been so divisive up till this point.

I felt it was average at best, tonally mis-judged at worst.

I don't care about canon relating to events in TOS, as I've never really been a fan of Trek pre TNG, so if Chapel rides Spock into an early grave, as she gave every intention of doing so, I'm not that fussed.

What I do care about though is logical writing, especially when it comes to a Vulcan character.

Spock is a grown man, with or without his Vulcan heritage, and he has not lost his memory or knowledge gained from experiences that he has throughout his life.

As such, there is no reason why he would revert to behaving like some 12-13 year old boy who has hit puberty and suddenly realised that girls are in fact more than just annoying sisters of friends who get in the way when you are trying to play football.

His behaviour - and therefore the writing of his character in this episode is absurd.

As is, the behaviour and writing of the Vulcan 'Matriarch.' I'm sorry but Vulcans are not racist pigs.

The depiction of Vulcans in this episode is nothing more than bad fan-fiction, and shows the writers to have little to no understanding of the Vulcan race or how they have been depicted in Trek in the past.

Next, the comedy in this episode. If I wanted to watch a juvenile teen rom-com aimed at 15-16 years olds ( which I don't) I would not expect to tune into Star Trek to achieve that result.

However, given what is happening in two episodes time with the Lower Decks crossover, I imagine this nonsense is likely to continue.

SNW was interesting in Season 1. It promised a lot, almost as much as the opening credits tease, however Season 2 to this point has been a disaster.

With only ten episodes in a season, a show cannot afford to waste so much time on trifles like this if it wants to be taken seriously.

Have you watched TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT at any point in the past?

 

[UssGlenn]

They're still using pipettes?

Why mess with what works? I can't see how adding technology would make them work better.

 

[fireproof78]

Why mess with what works? I can't see how adding technology would make them work better.

Forgot the winky emoji to highlight the facetious nature of my comment.

I have no issue using pipettes. It's a funny little detail to me that probably no one else gives a crap about.

 

[Nyotarules]

Not that it was needed, but a line in the script that Spock without his Vulcan DNA has regressed to the emotional level of a human adolescence might help some viewers

 

[Tallguy]

Not that it was needed, but a line in the script that Spock without his Vulcan DNA has regressed to the emotional level of a human adolescence might help some viewers

I thought it was pretty clear that he was struggling with biological changes that were affecting his emotional state.

Again, this seemed to go a lot farther that "Hey, I'm just moody". He was having emotional changes because an unknown alien race had rebuilt his body from the ground up! Maybe someone should look into that?

 

[drt]

Not that it was needed, but a line in the script that Spock without his Vulcan DNA has regressed to the emotional level of a human adolescence might help some viewers

I think they stated that when Spock was having his conversation with La’an.

 

[Mudd]

A neon sign and a club to focus their attention wouldn't be enough for some viewers.

 

[Mid Mod]

It appeared like Spock regressed to adolescence emotionally, but I don’t think he actually did. He just lost the ability to filter his thoughts and actions, which resulted in him saying and doing whatever popped into his head in the moment.

We know his brain was altered because he lost the ability to mind meld. To me, the outbursts were a sign the he relied heavily on Vulcan genetics for his emotional control, and when that was removed, his brain couldn’t compensate right away. Kind of like a right-handed person who has to learn to write with their left hand—they already know how to write but their brain doesn’t yet have the fine motor control over their left hand that is needed. Spock didn’t lose the knowledge of his Vulcan training, he just needed time and practice for his altered brain to re-learn how to apply it.

His time as a human was only around two days, but towards the end he had already started to regain some control over his emotions, e.g. he kept his cool under T’Pril’s criticism and waited till he left the room to let out his anger.

Other random thoughts:

Having seen what unfiltered Spock is like, I’m going to have fun imagining what he must REALLY be thinking all those other times he appears so taciturn.

Is OCD over messiness a general Vulcan trait that they suppress, or a specific personality trait of Spock?