Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x04 - "Among the Lotus Eaters"

[fireproof78]

I mean, that's what the attorney's job is. That's why Starfleet would be well within its rights to Court Martial Zac, and the judge or tribunal could determine from there if any punishment was necessary.

Given Starfleet's leniency in such matters I doubt he would get any sort of punishment.

 

[Nerys Myk]

*phasers a rock*

Follow me.

“ Once, just once, I'd like to be able to land someplace and say "Behold, I am the Archangel Gabriel."- McCoy, Bread and Circuses

 

[Nerys Myk]

We'd then have a deep and ethical dilemma of whether Starfleet has any right to court martial Nguyen considering he only broke the Prime Directive to make a signal to escape the planet, and realistically anyone in his position would have done the same.

I thought the Kalar built it as a tribute. Pretty sure it wasn’t Zack idea, He was keen on “It’s good to be the King”, not getting rescued. I think he was going to order it destroy so not to attract further attention

 

[fireproof78]

I thought the Kalar built it as a tribute. Pretty sure it wasn’t Zack idea, He was keen on “It’s good to be the King”, not getting rescued. I think he was going to order it destroy so not to attract further attention

I believe @Yistaan is opining on how the episode could have introduced more of a moral or ethical debate, rather than the outcome the episode actually had.

It's an interesting thought exercise for sure.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I believe @Yistaan is opining on how the episode could have introduced more of a moral or ethical debate, rather than the outcome the episode actually had.

It's an interesting thought exercise for sure.

Ah, yes. You are right

 

[Nerys Myk]

Didn’t Georgiou do the same in DISCO S1E1 “The Vulcan Hello”?

 

[Farscape One]

Didn’t Georgiou do the same in DISCO S1E1 “The Vulcan Hello”?

She made the pattern by walking in the desert... sandstorms would easily get rid of it in a short time.

(Honestly, while inventive, it's rather unbelievable that she could make the pattern large enough to be seen from her ship in orbit.)

 

[Nerys Myk]

She made the pattern by walking in the desert... sandstorms would easily get rid of it in a short time.

(Honestly, while inventive, it's rather unbelievable that she could make the pattern large enough to be seen from her ship in orbit.)

I think she'd been working on it for a while. Michael just assumed it was pointless wandering.

 

[Farscape One]

I think she'd been working on it for a while. Michael just assumed it was pointless wandering.

I know, but the sandstorms would likely be there shortly afterward, likely erasing all traces of her steps so the inhabitants can't decipher her Starfleet delta.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I know, but the sandstorms would likely be there shortly afterward, likely erasing all traces of her steps so the inhabitants can't decipher her Starfleet delta.

I'm just saying it was a way to attract attention. Short term in Georgiou's case. Long term in hypothetical Zach's case. Even if Zach had created the delta to attract attention, I'm not sure it would be a violation the Prime Directive, unless he used Federation tech to create it. And shared that tech with the natives.

 

[Farscape One]

I'm just saying it was a way to attract attention. Short term in Georgiou's case. Long term in hypothetical Zach's case. Even if Zach had created the delta to attract attention, I'm not sure it would be a violation the Prime Directive, unless he used Federation tech to create it. And shared that tech with the natives.

True. But given how the episode made a point of saying that without your memories you show your true self, Zac really didn't belong in Starfleet to begin with.

(Which is not the first time we've seen this... Captain Ronald Tracey, for instance.)

 

[Nerys Myk]

True. But given how the episode made a point of saying that without your memories you show your true self, Zac really didn't belong in Starfleet to begin with.

(Which is not the first time we've seen this... Captain Ronald Tracey, for instance.)

Their vetting process sucks.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I mean, that's what the attorney's job is. That's why Starfleet would be well within its rights to Court Martial Zac, and the judge or tribunal could determine from there if any punishment was necessary.

They won't just let him walk away scot free. Even if he was desperate to survive....as Pike said, making himself "High Lord"? That's all on Zac. It's HIS fault, not Pike's or anyone else's.

Trust me, there will be some punishment.

 

[fireproof78]

They won't just let him walk away scot free. Even if he was desperate to survive....as Pike said, making himself "High Lord"? That's all on Zac. It's HIS fault, not Pike's or anyone else's.

Trust me, there will be some punishment.

You'd have to ask @Yistaan if in his alternative plot idea involved him still being a lord.

 

[Phoenix219]

Learning to fight is a video game.

Although what happened to Pike, the opposite Captain's First Officer Sending an email to an admiral about how much the Captain sucks, is something no early 23rd century AI could have emulated/predicted.

What is this referring to?

Maybe the Talosians learned from their errors with Vina and fix both of them with the help of Chapel and the customer service aliens. And then they all waltz off into the sunset together.

Customer service aliens?

I'm usually better at these references lol.

 

[Phoenix219]

The Eugenics war had already moved as of the first episode of Discovery.

Its moved twice. The Romulan wanted to kill Khan as a child in the 90s, but Khan is supposed to be grown in the 90s, and born in the 50s/60s. This is, at minimum, a third loop.

 

[Phoenix219]

So I assume the Rigel 7 brain altering effects are now the official explanation for why Pike was acting strangely in 'The Cage' and saying stuff like he's not used to a woman on the bridge.

Pike was scary and unrelenting in his violent anger towards Zac. I have to watch it again but he says something about how the experience reveals who one really is.

That may be a bit of a stretch. Didn't they say they weren't there long enough for the effects to take place? Was he acting strangely? As pointed out, its a part of his nature, even if buried until extreme duress. I rather interpreted the line as part of his mourning for Zach; he wasn't used to his yeoman's absence, and was the one out of place face in a familiar bridge crew, of which Number One was a standard part of.

The anger didn't seem to manifest until after the memory loss, of which there was none the first time around.



Great episode. Best of the season so far. TOS style Trek at its finest.

I didn't even think of any of Pike's crew surviving down there, and when I saw the emblem, the first thought I had was I wonder if this is the episode I always wanted to see with the Iotians.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Customer service aliens?

The aliens from "Charades",

 

[Ovation]

The aliens from "Charades",

At the interdimensional IKEA.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Its moved twice. The Romulan wanted to kill Khan as a child in the 90s, but Khan is supposed to be grown in the 90s, and born in the 50s/60s. This is, at minimum, a third loop.

Not a loop.

Where she comes from is temporally shielded.

There are no more doppelgangers of Sera from alternate futures coming back to fix time.

Cause and effect dies before it touches her.