Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x04 - "Among the Lotus Eaters"

[DaveyNY]

Daniels tried his best with Archers help to limit what he called 'damages' to the timeline, but I believe that with the start of the DISCOVERY Era, we are seeing that Daniels wasn't completely successful in his endeavours.

He managed to keep most things on track, but the niggling details that slipped by are starting to appear as slight changes.

 

[Jedman67]

The monks said that the future is unavoidable as soon as he took the time crystal. Alt Future Pike in the Motion Picture uniform said that seriously bad shit happens if he tries to cheat fate.

Chair.

Beep beep boop beep.

Inevitable.

Ineffable.

 

[NCC-73515]

Both IRL and in Trek, saving lives takes priority over equipment. If you can get everything out, great, if you can't, destroy it, but not at the expense of saving lives.

No, in Trek the PD is more important than saving lives

Starfleet's always slow to respond. In TNG's "Angel One" some Federation citizens got stranded on Angel One and by the time Picard and crew arrived, they had been on the planet long enough to take wives.

It would take Kirk only 5 min to find 10 wives...

I always assume the computer has an easy mode setting. If it hears someone trying to get help and they're not accessing the correct interface, it offers assistance. Hell, computers can do this now. After all, what if a child enters the turbolift and needs to get back to its quarters but can't quite reach the handles or if an alien species is visiting and it has no "hands" by which to grasp the controls? So I figure it's just a failsafe type situation.

See TNG Neutral Zone. A guy with no clue mutters to himself where the Captain might be, and the computer responds

As someone who has permament loud debilitating tinnitus that seriously disrupted my life for a long time (I read Shatner even contemplated suicide at one point, he has it too), I was sort of dismayed by the implication that there STILL does not seem to be a cure for it in the 23rd century. I mean, they never outright said that but...

Even in the 24th century there seems to be a limit as to what medical science can do in regards to repairing/healing nerve damage..which tinnitus is.

Bones: Blast medicine anyway. We've learned to tie into every human organ in the body except one. The brain.

Crusher: I don't understand it. I've inhibited almost all the activity of the neocortex and she continues to behave as if she's hearing the music.

Maybe the Starfleet crate was coded to open only for crew members and they thought it would be ok, or maybe they simply forgot due to the planet’s weird conditions.

That would explain things. They forgot they even had rifles and that's why Pike seemed shocked and surprised now.

And for a scientific organization, they apparently forgot to use subscripts when writing chemical formulas.

Not needed when only using molecular formulae without isotope indicators.

 

[Lucky]

I gave it an 8/10. It felt very much like a classic TOS episode. The crew losing their memories was handled well. It was nice to see Ortegas help save the day. I loved Pike in this episode. I'm glad he reconciled with Batel at the end. I like them together, but I fear for their future.

 

[cooleddie74]

I do like how the SNW ship's computer sort of sounds like Majel Barrett and slightly more artificial and robotic than TNG Era Starfleet computers.

 

[SiddFinch1]

Am I the only one who wishes they had found a way to.have Carol.Kane say...have fun storming the castle?https://www.bing.com/images/search?...1B5AFBE00CF18DF9E4CE0464370AA8212&FORM=IQFRBA

 

[wayoung]

Well, at least they finally voyaged to a Strange New World, even if it was a world they'd been to already, briefly.

Anytime else think it's unfair they punished Captain McMurray? Like, Jesus, hire an actual practicing trial lawyer for once, Starfleet JAG, instead of using random command officers, and maybe you'd win an occasional case. The fault is all yours, Admiral.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Daniels tried his best with Archers help to limit what he called 'damages' to the timeline, but I believe that with the start of the DISCOVERY Era, we are seeing that Daniels wasn't completely successful in his endeavours.

He managed to keep most things on track, but the niggling details that slipped by are starting to appear as slight changes.

Berman Trek is 90s Eugenics WAR.

Discovery Trek is 2040s Eugenics War.

Not the same timeline.

There may be a Daniels in the Discovery timeline, but it's a different Daniels, just like there were at least 2 Daniels in Berman Trek, one where Archer died in season one of Enterprise, and another where only Archer could have founded the Coalition.

Of Course if time agents are temporally shielded, then they are just continuously living in further divergent time lines with no hope of ever getting home.

Although if Earth is temporally shielded in the 29th century then the the past is bullshit and inconsequential.

 

[ichab]

Well, at least they finally voyaged to a Strange New World, even if it was a world they'd been to already, briefly.

Agreed.

Anytime else think it's unfair they punished Captain McMurray? Like, Jesus, hire an actual practicing trial lawyer for once, Starfleet JAG, instead of using random command officers, and maybe you'd win an occasional case. The fault is all yours, Admiral.

I never thought about that before, but you're right. Starfleet is the only military organization I can think of that uses random officers with little to no law experience to act as attorneys. That's not the type of occupation you can just stick anyone into and expect success.

"Here a tablet Captain. You have a few weeks to learn the entire legal system, court room procedure, collect all evidence and know how to use all this information. Now go win!"

 

[Hythlodeus]

That's not the type of occupation you can just stick anyone into and expect success.

have you MET lawyers? don't get me wrong, some of my best friends are lawyers, but I'd be surprised if most of them could read the back of a cereal box

 

[Finn]

The Eugenics war had already moved as of the first episode of Discovery.

No. By Enterprise, as implied by Archer's story about his grandfather.

 

[ichab]

have you MET lawyers? don't get me wrong, some of my best friends are lawyers, but I'd be surprised if most of them could read the back of a cereal box

Are you basing this on how they act when around you in their off time, or by how they act when on the clock at work? I deal with lawyers all the time as a claims adjuster. Some might come off as idiots, but the majority know what they are doing. You have to be smart enough to go through law school as well as pass the state bar in order to even practice law. The failure rate for the bar exam is extremely high and most don't pass it the first time through. And in most states you have to continue education in order to keep your law license. So if they are actually making a living practicing law they'll have no problem reading the back of a cereal box.

That's why what the previous poster said rang so true. You can't just stick someone who has no knowledge of the legal system into a courtroom and expect success. It's a much more complex job than what you see on television.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

It would take Kirk only 5 min to find 10 wives...

Yes. Of course. Kirk's magic penis would surely have turned those Angel One ladies back the right way.

 

[DaveyNY]

Berman Trek is 90s Eugenics WAR.

Discovery Trek is 2040s Eugenics War.

Not the same timeline.

There may be a Daniels in the Discovery timeline, but it's a different Daniels, just like there were at least 2 Daniels in Berman Trek, one where Archer died in season one of Enterprise, and another where only Archer could have founded the Coalition.

Of Course if time agents are temporally shielded, then they are just continuously living in further divergent time lines with no hope of ever getting home.

Although if Earth is temporally shielded in the 29th century then the the past is bullshit and inconsequential.

According to the Producers it IS the same timeline but with differences.

Which all leads back to Daniels trying to 'fix' the damage the Temporal Cold War caused in the 2100's with Earth's first experiences of actually going into deep space.

As I said, he did his best with Archer's help, but his best wasn't good enough to completely correct what came before.
Thus the differences in what we are now seeing.

 

[Noname Given]

Berman Trek is 90s Eugenics WAR...

Cuz I've already mentioned a couple times in this very thread, Star Trek Voyager's two-part episode Futures End shows otherwise.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Cuz I've already mentioned a couple times in this very thread, Star Trek Voyager's two-part episode Futures End shows otherwise.

No it doesn't.

The US is currently fighting in Somalia, Yeman and Syria, with no visible reflection of those on-goings on the home front.

6 years ago Trump dropped a MOAB on Afghanistan.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/politics/afghanistan-isis-moab-bomb/index.html

No one cares.

 

[valkyrie013]

Goes back to Ent. And the Xindi. Daniels says it shouldn't have happened... But did. So time is fluid, but has a way to fix itself in the major sense.

It's as the producer said.. Wants star trek in our future, so there bending the timeline to fit. I don't mind.

 

[Guy Gardener]

According to the Producers it IS the same timeline but with differences.

Which all leads back to Daniels trying to 'fix' the damage the Temporal Cold War caused in the 2100's with Earth's first experiences of actually going into deep space.

As I said, he did his best with Archer's help, but his best wasn't good enough to completely correct what came before.
Thus the differences in what we are now seeing.

Its a similar time line with differences.

It can't be a the same but different, because then it's different, not the same

 

[Hythlodeus]

Its a similar time line with differences.

It can't be a the same but different, because then it's different, not the same

on a quantum level, same and different aren't exclusive

 

[Guy Gardener]

No. By Enterprise, as implied by Archer's story about his grandfather.

It was great grandfather, of which he had 4.

ARCHER: My great grandfather was in North Africa during the Eugenics Wars. His battalion was evacuating civilians from a war zone when they came under attack. There was a school full of children directly between them and the enemy. If his men had returned fire, they might have hit it. So he called the commander on the other side, and got him to agree to hold his fire long enough to evacuate the school. There are rules, Trip, even in war. We have to help these children.