Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

[Set Harth]

There's also no guarantee the DTI in Picard's time have the capability of time travel.

I mean, it's the DTI...

 

[Guy Gardener]

You are sitting in your shielded DTI office, there is a flash outside the window and suddenly all the buildings and ships look way cooler. Turns out, the Eugenics Wars just shifted forward 50 years. A census check shows no people seem to be missing, in fact there are a few more. You call your wife, she still remembers you, a few key questions confirm that your personal history is basically intact. As far as you can tell, everything just got a massive technological and aesthetic upgrade. So you think, you know what, I'm just going to let this one slide, and press the "merge into timeline" button.

24th century Putzes don't know how to do that. All they do, which is non-canon, is keep meticulous records, and lock up future #hit in the vault.

 

[Mudd]

The DTI are an expository device. They don't matter in any other way.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The DTI are an expository device. They don't matter in any other way.

Do you want to make Christopher cry?

Sobbing himself to sleep every night for months ruminating over your hateful words alienating his raison d'etre.

 

[jackoverfull]

You are sitting in your shielded DTI office, there is a flash outside the window and suddenly all the buildings and ships look way cooler. Turns out, the Eugenics Wars just shifted forward 50 years. A census check shows no people seem to be missing, in fact there are a few more. You call your wife, she still remembers you, a few key questions confirm that your personal history is basically intact. As far as you can tell, everything just got a massive technological and aesthetic upgrade. So you think, you know what, I'm just going to let this one slide, and press the "merge into timeline" button.

this would at least involve a massive investigation before deciding though: who knows, maybe in the new timeline the Ocampa are all dead!

 

[Guy Gardener]

this would at least involve a massive investigation before deciding though: who knows, maybe in the new timeline the Ocampa are all dead!

They were locked in a box with 5 years of power for light, air conditioning and replicators.

5 years and 1 week after Janeway left, half the Ocampa would have eaten the other half.

 

[jackoverfull]

They were locked in a box with 5 years of power for light, air conditioning and replicators.

5 years and 1 week after Janeway left, half the Ocampa would have eaten the other half.

unless they finally decided to get out.
Doesn’t matter, it was just an example, we’re totally ot here.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I doubt the DTI even knows about the Kelvin timeline.

It wouldn't make sense that they don't know.

in DISCO, "Terra Firma, Part 1," it is revealed that the prime 32nd century Federation knew that Yor came from the Kelvin-verse

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Yor

Because of this, how could DTI not know, at least the DTI of the 32nd century?

 

[cooleddie74]

They knew, they just couldn't correct that timeline because of the way in which it was created, with the experimental Red Matter that formed a black hole.*

*Star Trek science and peer-reviewed head canon

 

[Deks]

Regarding Seven helping DTI creating shields... the shielding was created in direct response to the Krenim attacks, which never occured since those events were erased. Since the danger never appeared, DTI may likely never have approached her... or even thought to.

Yes I'm aware the YOH timeline was erased (and with it, Temporal Shields too that Seven made for VOY - I mentioned as much, didn't I?).
However, the DTI in the late 24th century could have still approached Seven about the possibility of creating a protection against temporal changes anyway because she had Borg knowledge in her head.

Although, with so future SF employing Temporal Shields and Seven knowing about it, she may have approached the DTI directly or worked with them AFTER joining SF (aka, during/after her captaincy of the Enterprise-G).

 

[Farscape One]

Yes I'm aware the YOH timeline was erased (and with it, Temporal Shields too that Seven made for VOY - I mentioned as much, didn't I?).
However, the DTI in the late 24th century could have still approached Seven about the possibility of creating a protection against temporal changes anyway because she had Borg knowledge in her head.

Although, with so future SF employing Temporal Shields and Seven knowing about it, she may have approached the DTI directly or worked with them AFTER joining SF (aka, during/after her captaincy of the Enterprise-G).

Possible, but I doubt it. Necessity is the mother of invention, particularly in ST. If there was no pressing need to create temporal shields, like the events of "YEAR OF HELL" that didn't happen, the DTI had no reason to ask her.

Maybe this could be a possibility if a similar scenario happened while Seven is captain, but I don't see Seven seeking the DTI out.

 

[Deks]

It wouldn't make sense that they don't know.

in DISCO, "Terra Firma, Part 1," it is revealed that the prime 32nd century Federation knew that Yor came from the Kelvin-verse

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Yor

Because of this, how could DTI not know, at least the DTI of the 32nd century?

Its possible the DTI knew since the mid/late 25th or 26th century.

SF started playing more actively with Time Travel technology likely from the 25th or 26th century onward... the earliest we know of them actually using it would probably be when ENT-D encountered a 26th century shuttle in TNG.
So, it stands to reason that if the shuttle was any indication of time travel capabilities, scanning through time would have been a capability too.
The 29th century Federation certainly had this ability... but nothing said the 26th century couldn't... the tech was likely developed in this or earlier in the time period (possibly 25th century when Seven was actively part of SF).

 

[Deks]

Possible, but I doubt it. Necessity is the mother of invention, particularly in ST. If there was no pressing need to create temporal shields, like the events of "YEAR OF HELL" that didn't happen, the DTI had no reason to ask her.

Maybe this could be a possibility if a similar scenario happened while Seven is captain, but I don't see Seven seeking the DTI out.

Necessity isn't always the mother of invention... and ST isn't the exception becayse loads of technologies were invented as a result of natural progression, not as a result of conflict or because someone forced SF's hand.

Seven had the skills and knowledge. Its possible she developed this technology (again) during her command of ENT-G... and the tech was adopted by DTI.
Or, its possible that Seven approached SF directly by discussing the possibility about developing the technology. I know the Relativity crew swore her to secrecy about her experiences... but nothing was said about sharing pre-existing knowledge of technologies for protection against Temporal changes and possibly scanning through time.

Heck, the Astrometric lab did have Temporal scanning capabilities... so its likely that the ability to scan through time evolved from this technology because the lab on VOY already used a combo of SF and Borg technology.

 

[jackoverfull]

Possible, but I doubt it. Necessity is the mother of invention, particularly in ST. If there was no pressing need to create temporal shields, like the events of "YEAR OF HELL" that didn't happen, the DTI had no reason to ask her.

But there was necessity: once they know that time travel is possible they know that they can be erased from history with no warning, keeping assets able to intervene behind some kind of temporal shielding then becomes a priority.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/origin-of-a-certain-facility.314918/

 

[Sci]

A lot of talk about Seven of Nine and time travel bureaucracy for an episode about a completely different character for whom the time travel and bureaucracy are really just plot devices for a trauma delivery system.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

In @Christopher's novels on the subject, the DTI has temporally shielded records which they use to detect changes to the timeline. Perhaps they got the concept from Seven?

It wouldn't make sense that they don't know.

in DISCO, "Terra Firma, Part 1," it is revealed that the prime 32nd century Federation knew that Yor came from the Kelvin-verse

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Yor

Because of this, how could DTI not know, at least the DTI of the 32nd century?

I forgot about Yor. I didn't know if he was even canon.

Besides, to me, "Yor" will always be...the Hunter from the Future.

 

[Ghøzt]

I thought it was okay. Looking forward to more of the series.

 

[the G-man]

For me, the most disappointing aspect of the ep was that Sera was introduced-- and spent most of her scenes-- wearing a ski cap and it wasn't covering up her Romulan ears! Dammit, people, there's Trek traditions to uphold!

 

[the G-man]

I remember years ago during TNG and than DS9 some people would get irritated with time travel episodes. Saying they had done too much etc. But it's a part of Trek that will probably be revisted and revisted until the franchise ceases to tell stories. It's an integral part of the franchise. I just hope this is a good one.

It bugs me that they've overused it in the movies (to the point where one coming into to Trek from the films would almost think it was primarily a time travel show) but not so much on TV, where it's maybe one ep a season (or less perhaps) and because I know it helps the show's budget

Yeah, I felt it was really strong up until the third act. The big reveal and the antagonist's plan(s) is where it fell a bit flat for me. It did help me like La'an a lot more, though, who up to this point is probably the most unlikable character on the show for me, so there is that.

La'an left me kind of cold in S1. Not much character development beyond "the Gorn, the Gorn" and "my ancestor sucked" with elements of Tasha Yar thrown in for bad measure. But this season I'm loving her and this ep went a long way towards that.

Not watching this season of SNW, but as one of those annoying canon/continuity people gotta ask is it true this definitively sets up SNW as an alt timeline to TOS?

I actually think it is an alternate timeline, How can it not be with all the tampering they’ve done in the various Star Trek series? Here and there little things are changed unnoticed and all those little things start to add up. Kirk is born on U.S.S. Iowa or in Riverside, Iowa. Kirk’s brother is called George by everyone in one timeline and Sam by everyone in another. In the original series, they had to look up the data on Khan Noonien-Singh and his place in the Eugenics Wars. In this one, Khan Noonien-Singh is as notorious a figure of evil as Adolf Hitler and his descendant is the security chief of the Enterprise, her history and that of her ancestor known well to Spock and Uhura because she was their crewmate and comrade. La’an is off the ship by that point and who knows what happens to her but there is no way they would forget everything they knew about Khan. It’s not the same as the original series but it’s better written and more entertaining this way. I’m happy to watch and be entertained.

I think the writers realized there was merit is just accepting there's yet another alt-timeline and I for one think the show is better for it, than trying to rationalize away all the continuity issues with Rascally Roy Thomas-levels of mental gymnastics

For some reason I’m just not buying Paul Wesley as Kirk, though he’s certainly charismatic in his own right. And I’m not crazy about the episode’s undercurrent of “Those crazy conspiracy theories? *Basically*, they’re true!” But the timeline-changing stuff doesn’t bother me at all; if anything, I thought it had already been covered by Traveler Wesley accidentally messing up a century in Picard.

To me, the romantic angle happened too quickly to be quite believable, but Christina Chong did a fine job.

I've finally warmed up to Wesley as Kirk with this ep.

As for the romance happening to quickly....it's James T. Kirk. By that measure it was positively glacial.