Because then the writers would have had to come up with a different justification for La’an to meet alternate Kirk, go back in time with him, and get her heart broken.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"
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Because then the writers would have had to come up with a different justification for La’an to meet alternate Kirk, go back in time with him, and get her heart broken.
I hate time travel stories but even this one just feels like one of those random freak accidents. Even time travel can't save a life every single time.
Since we have insufficient information to conclude what his mission was, why assume he failed in duties? It could have been a recon mission, or he assumed he wouldn't be in war zone and the time line shift (alluded to in the episode) caused something to happen that wasn't expected.Like I said, bulletproof vests are definitely a thing, have had them for years IRL. And the agent didn't appear to be shot with a futuristic bullet. (Assuming there is such a thing.) I guess he got overconfident and didn't think he needed one.
Or, hell, Starfleet doesn't fucking use armor. At all. Not for personnel. He might have gone, "Meh, it's primitive 21st century; I'm not worried about it." And, even wearing a bullet proof vest does not guarantee full torso protection. He was hit in the side, it did not look like where a trauma plate would have been on a vest, which are usually designed for center mass.
I may loath time travel stories, but each one will fall apart if we play this game. "COTEOF"? Take her back with you. David dies? Slingshot. Borg invasion? Go back in time and stop it.
It's a narrative dead end to pick apart the mechanism by which it occurred for something that shouldn't occur at all!
But of course. No time travel story survives scrutiny. Only way to keep blood pressure at an even keel is take such stories as given and decide whether you enjoyed it.
What about ST09?
It took place entirely in a different universe.
Of course not. But that's because the movie itself is full of holes.
Few Trek films survive scrutiny if any. But Trek 2009 is just wacky enough to work and makes the alternate timeline premise stick.
1. Cadet to captain in basically one move.
2. Chekov being born much earlier.
3. Kirk being thrown onto a planet instead of the brig.
4. The Enterprise looks like a damned hot rod, not a ship of exploration. (This is more a personal thing, as this was the final straw in why I never saw it in the theater.)
Like I said, it does take place entirely in an alternate universe, but there were a bunch of things that just didn't make sense or work.
ST09 took place entirely in the different universe. And while time travel was used to throw Spock and the Romulan ship into the past, it's not actually a time travel story. Not like "TOMORROW IS YESTERDAY", "ASSIGNMENT: EARTH", "Time's Arrow", "All Good Things...", "PAST TENSE", "TRIALS AND TRIBBLE-ATIONS", "TIME AND AGAIN", "RELATIVITY", any of ENT's Temporal Cold War episodes, or the dozens of others in the franchise.
Not exactly.
In other words, no time travel story survives scrutiny when time travel stories that survive scrutiny are defined to not actually be time travel stories.
Not exactly.
In other words, no time travel story survives scrutiny when time travel stories that survive scrutiny are defined to not actually be time travel stories.
How was ST09 not in a different universe? TNG's "Parallels" established this... an event that is different creates a different reality/universe/other term for same damn thing.
The entire movie took place inside the new universe. You know that this is why it's called the 'Kelvinverse' by people, right? Because the events of the Kelvin is the dividing point which makes the Abrams movies a different universe.
And it's not a time story because except for how Spock and the Romulan ship appeared, time travel was not part of the story.
You and I will never agree on this point, but I could make all those things work, even if the way the film presents it is not great.
You and I will never agree on this point, but I could make all those things work, even if the way the film presents it is not great.
You're right that we will never agree about this movie. It is the second worst movie in the franchise (with ID being dead last) for me. NEMESIS was better, and I never thought I would say that about any movie until those two happened.
BUT... I will give ST09 credit for reigniting interest in the franchise again, and the casting was mostly on point.
Save for Scotty but the rest make up for it.
Except for the flashbacks in the mind meld.
By that logic, no story is a time travel story, because if you take out the time travel part of the story, time travel is not part of the story! WAH WAH WAHHHHHH.
Whatever, dude. I'm done with you on this.
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