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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

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So what do we think happened to the original time agent? When did he come from, how did he get shot and how did he get to La'an before the timeline changed?
He died. Judging by his clothes, from the early 90s. Someone pointed a gun at him and pulled the trigger. With his magic time travel thingy, that La'an used later in the episode.
 
La'an tells us that she knows a secret about the past that few know. Hmmmmm. We all know that history is written by the victors don't we? Can't wait to hear that secret.

She knows about the Botany Bay, and further more she may know what "Planet" Kahn was heading towards, and she may know "when" he's supposed to get there if nothing goes wrong, and finally it is the job of her family line to meet Kahn there, and shoot him in the face dead.

Of course something has gone wrong, since even at warp one, the Botanny Bay could have been intercepted a century ago by Noonian Singh's who wanted to help Kahn or Noonian Singh's who wanted to kill Kahn.
 
Even the other Augments dating from the Eugenics Wars didn't know what happened to Khan other than legend. I know you're being facetious but I imagine the fate of Khan Noonien Singh became nothing but pure mythology for well over two centuries.


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Even the other Augments dating from the Eugenics Wars didn't know what happened to Khan other than legend. I know you're being facetious but I imagine the fate of Khan Noonien Singh became nothing but pure mythology for well over two centuries.


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If it's a secret about Kahn, it's got to be that Kahn is still alive.

However...

Is this what they are talking about?

We both have secrets that would topple

a lot of people's firmly-held beliefs.

That's not a Kahn secret.

La'an's secret is that aliens exist and money is stupid and the Federation is coming, because she is a regular future person with regular future knowledge, that would freak out a regular person from the past.
 
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Well, unfortunately this was the first SNW episode that simply didn't click with me at all. It all seemed so random and flippant and, honestly, I was bored by it. I think Star Trek has simply visited the 20th century one too many times, especially after spending almost all of Picard S2 in the same time period. I'm just not enthused anymore by Star Trek characters "discovering" 20th century life, learning to drive, learning that they need money, etc, it was so much of the same story beats repeated from TOS, TNG, the movies, VOY, etc.

Also, the "meet cute" aspect between Kirk and La'aan comes out of nowhere, in about 5 minutes. I checked the time remaining on the episode because I thought maybe I missed 20 minutes somewhere. Plus, the "stakes" mentioned are so vague and never made clear enough before they even time travel back... one scene on the bridge for some chat and that's it? That's all we get to understand what's different in this altered timeline? Even with Kirk adding some comments later, it presented so casually that it's akin to chatting about weather.

And I can't believe it all ended with such a prosaic philosophy question of "would you kill baby Hitler?". And La'aan leaves her gun there with baby Khan? And disappears right in front of him? Why?? That seems so sloppy!
 
Assuming the timeline didn't partially reset anyways and child Khan would have no memory of the incident.
 
9/10 very nice time travel episode. Pesky but cute Romulan time traveler. I liked her better was she was the wacky conspiracy theorist. Really great performances by Christina Chong and Paul Wesley.

i don’t mind rewriting the timeline especially when done via time travel.
 
Well, unfortunately this was the first SNW episode that simply didn't click with me at all. It all seemed so random and flippant and, honestly, I was bored by it. I think Star Trek has simply visited the 20th century one too many times, especially after spending almost all of Picard S2 in the same time period. I'm just not enthused anymore by Star Trek characters "discovering" 20th century life, learning to drive, learning that they need money, etc, it was so much of the same story beats repeated from TOS, TNG, the movies, VOY, etc.

Also, the "meet cute" aspect between Kirk and La'aan comes out of nowhere, in about 5 minutes. I checked the time remaining on the episode because I thought maybe I missed 20 minutes somewhere. Plus, the "stakes" mentioned are so vague and never made clear enough before they even time travel back... one scene on the bridge for some chat and that's it? That's all we get to understand what's different in this altered timeline? Even with Kirk adding some comments later, it presented so casually that it's akin to chatting about weather.

And I can't believe it all ended with such a prosaic philosophy question of "would you kill baby Hitler?". And La'aan leaves her gun there with baby Khan? And disappears right in front of him? Why?? That seems so sloppy!

If the noonian singh centre for culural advancement's cold fusion reactor exploded atomizing Toronto, then alt Captain Kirk's Future happens.

If Kahn lives, then La'an's Federation happens.

If Sarah the Romulan, or La'an shoot's tween Kahn dead, then a third unknown future happens.

If La'an heads back in time and saves 90s Project Kahn, then the TOS Federation is back.
 
I think you're confusing PIC S2 & S3 with SNW S1 & S2. From what I understand, there was a lengthy hiatus between the filming of S1 and S2.
I was assuming that from the actors' statements on recent episodes of The Ready Room that they were filming S2 of SNW before S1 even premiered.
Well, that's too bad, because that's not how SNW is structured at all. It's structured like TNG, DS9, et al -- an ensemble show behind the lead character. La'an, Christine, Joseph, Erica, and Nyota are as much the main characters as Chris, Una, and Spock. That's why S1 didn't "focus on the supporting characters once in a while" -- fully half of S1 episodes are either primarily about characters other than Chris, Una, and Spock, or are true ensemble episodes.
Maybe, but Pike wasn't absent for 75% of two episodes. Writing out your lead actor early in the second season like that is just a strange decision.
TOS never used that kind of structure -- there were no Hikaru episodes, no Nyota episodes, no Scotty or Pavel episodes.
Sulu and Uhura, sure, but I'd argue Scotty had at least a few episodes that focused on him. "Who Mourns for Adonais?," "Wolf in the Fold," and "The Lights of Zetar." Chekov also received some focus in "Spectre of the Gun" and "The Way to Eden."
Principle filming of season 1 finished July 2021, with some additional filming done in October 2021.

Season 2 filmed from February 2022 to July 2022.

Season 3 was to start filming this month, but the WGA strike delayed it.
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