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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

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They don't use hairpins in the 23rd Century.

Woman today have the right to be almost as carefree and lazy about their appearance as men, but they've almost criminalised hair spray in the here and now because of holes in the Ozone layer.

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Hair clips are alive and well in the TOS timeline.

Nancy Drew on the CW at the moment has ghosts and demons, which makes it comparable to Supernatural. It's still practically Riverdale, but it's affords a smidgen of fomo.
 
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Just watched the episode in honour of Canada Day. Never thought Star Trek would be required viewing for the holiday! A wonderful trip through my old home town. Paul Wesley's incarnation of Kirk is setting in just fine, just as one William Shatner's portrayal took time to stabilize. Christina Chong steals the show with a great performance. It would have been fun if, as he was dying, Kirk said "Oh my...".

The best part -- lots of Canadiana for us hosers to lap up. The Eaton Centre, Roots flagship store, the TTC, vendor dogs, Tim Horton's, and of course poutine have now been canonized in Trekdom!
 
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This was decently told, but it was an inevitable comedown after last week's spectacular episode. It also feels WAY too soon to have the SNW cast bopping around present day Toronto when PIC spent most of their second season there. It felt like a cost saving measure more than anything. Same with the episode just focusing on La'an and Kirk and sidelining Pike, Spock, Number One, and most of the other regulars yet again.

Carol Kane's Pelia is not growing on me, I'm afraid. The character is written and performed WAY too humorously, like Kane just wandered over from the set of The Princess Bride next door. It also seems pretty obvious to me she won't be around past the end of this season, so I'm not too invested in her.

So just a 6 out of a 10 for me.

EDIT: I was really amused by the callback to Kirk's bad driving in "A Piece of the Action." That was a nice touch. :lol:
 
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An organization able to control the timeline itself would be answerable to no one.

Possibly, but that's not what the DTI is.

I thought they work together so well I checked their relationship statuses. I found out Wesley separated from his wife a month after the episode was filmed and Chong's boyfriend has been absent from her social media for some time (and she said her dog was her twin flame recently).

Anyway thats a long winded way of saying I wouldn't be surprised if they are dating in real life.

That is a level of speculation about the actors' personal lives with which I am uncomfortable.
 
The theme of this episode is one that I've seen explored in other stories, the "would you go back in time to prevent a tragedy" question. Such as killing Hitler before he came to power (or taking him out of play in another way, as you can do in the game "Titanic: Adventure out of Time"). In this case, it's suggested that preventing the horrific events would have made things worse in the long run.
<The ghost of Gene Roddenberry pulls out his "The Enterprise ensures JFK's death" pitch once again>
 
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I wonder if Roddenberry was an accelerationist? I never would have thought of Star Trek as an accelerationist text, but nearly every series has kind of flat out stated that bad things have to inevitably happen in order for human evolution to happen.
 
L'aan makes an offhand remark as Kirk moves to steal a car. "This is private property." Now, the implication is that Kirk does not understand this coming from a more advanced society where perhaps an AI computer controls all transportation? Picard tells us "there is no money" so he is growing grapes and making wine at the government's behest and then it is distributed probably via a social credit system. So is Sisko's dad. No wonder there is no crime. No one would dare would they? One false move, and the nanny state cuts your access to your social credits which they control. The AI no doubt reads all communications like Google's AI "reads" all your emails. This is fascism with a velvet glove. Freedom is an illusion they create as they control every aspect of your life. It's all "for the common good." I would leave Earth immediately if I were trapped there but perhaps there is no ship available for the non elites. Very few humans seem to have escaped this. Even colonies work on this system.

That this is how the future in Trek is just now catching up with you?
 
Damn it, why do I get misty eyed every time I write about this damn thing?!?
Because they nailed it.

I find it interesting that some folks thought the romantic stuff was too fast. I felt it was nicely slow and tentative and rather sweet. As shown (IMO) by the middle of the night scene - they're attracted to each other, but pull back from moving too fast.

And of course Jim slept on the couch. :techman:

Nancy Drew on the CW at the moment has ghosts and demons, which makes it comparable to Supernatural. It's still practically Riverdale
Nah, it's much better than Riverdale. :hugegrin:
 
Yeah. To me, TOS is very much influenced by the Post WWII zeitgeist, The Federation is America. The Klingons are the Russians. The Romulans are the Chinese. And the Vulcans are the Japanese, an enemy turned firm ally. While Japan wasn't conquered per se, it was defeated and occupied. This might partially be influenced by living in Japan during the 60s and 70s as an Air Force brat.
Yep. Trek was designed for the post-war TV audience, which was one of several reasons for setting it on a "modern" American naval vessel. And the generation that mostly kept it alive and agitated for its revival were Boomers.

It hasn't changed as much as some folks would like to think.
 
Yep. Trek was designed for the post-war TV audience, which was one of several reasons for setting it on a "modern" American naval vessel. And the generation that mostly kept it alive and agitated for its revival were Boomers.

It hasn't changed as much as some folks would like to think.
Hell yes. I find the lack of discipline and self entitlement amongst the modern characters to be soooo frustrating. People are literally dying right now but let's take some time to kiss and talk about our relationship before we go on this dangerous mission. 100 people just died while you were hugging! No wonder so many characters are orphans.

I appreciate that science, social, and relationship stories are import ingredients but at least if the writers had the naval model as a base template it might be less silly. I could certainly live with the Last Ship in space as a storytelling model for Trek.
 
Like the Shadows on BABYLON 5, who believe growth and evolution occur best through strife and conflict?

Zepheram Cochrane could never have PAID to invent Warp Drive before the world ended.

No government, army, law, police or personal property.

They stole an abandoned missile, and an abandoned launch silo from the ghost of a non country that should have cost billions, the prewar equivalence would have been impossible to source from private funding or government funding hampered with all manner of oversight and regulation.

Then retrofitted it, to carry three people into space.

Just launching the Phoenix, should have triggered World War IV, if the Eastern Coalition still had the facilities left to monitor US tactical readiness, and respond.
 
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Yeah. To me, TOS is very much influenced by the Post WWII zeitgeist, The Federation is America. The Klingons are the Russians. The Romulans are the Chinese. And the Vulcans are the Japanese, an enemy turned firm ally. While Japan wasn't conquered per se, it was defeated and occupied. This might partially be influenced by living in Japan during the 60s and 70s as an Air Force brat.
Does that imply that there was actually an armed conflict between Earth and Vulcan? It's still one of the most "What the hell are you talking about?!?" lines in Star Trek. Crazier than anything Janice Lester even thought about.

Hell yes. I find the lack of discipline and self entitlement amongst the modern characters to be soooo frustrating. People are literally dying right now but let's take some time to kiss and talk about our relationship before we go on this dangerous mission. 100 people just died while you were hugging! No wonder so many characters are orphans.

I appreciate that science, social, and relationship stories are import ingredients but at least if the writers had the naval model as a base template it might be less silly. I could certainly live with the Last Ship in space as a storytelling model for Trek.
The only time it really stood out to me was in The Broken Circle when the urgency is so dire that they need to STEAL THE ENTERPRISE and they are in the middle of said heist (which, forget their careers, could really get them all killed if April goes all Commodore Norrington on them) when they pause for yuck yucks with Erica about "Spock's thing" - er, "how Spock will order the ship into warp". Never mind that I don't like that shtick to begin with.

That said, Spock getting called for playing his lute too loud was delicious and I have to say I like anytime they are able to underscore the "city in space" aspect of the Enterprise.

If they can manage time and place (and they've done it well enough so far) it's fine. But yes, we've come a really long way from even Encounter at Farpoint's "Is this an OFFICIAL report, lieutenant?" let alone the starship PT109 of TOS.

"Permission to speak freely?" "When do people NOT speak freely around here?"
 
Does that imply that there was actually an armed conflict between Earth and Vulcan? It's still one of the most "What the hell are you talking about?!?" lines in Star Trek. Crazier than anything Janice Lester even thought about.


The only time it really stood out to me was in The Broken Circle when the urgency is so dire that they need to STEAL THE ENTERPRISE and they are in the middle of said heist (which, forget their careers, could really get them all killed if April goes all Commodore Norrington on them) when they pause for yuck yucks with Erica about "Spock's thing" - er, "how Spock will order the ship into warp". Never mind that I don't like that shtick to begin with.

That said, Spock getting called for playing his lute too loud was delicious and I have to say I like anytime they are able to underscore the "city in space" aspect of the Enterprise.

If they can manage time and place (and they've done it well enough so far) it's fine. But yes, we've come a really long way from even Encounter at Farpoint's "Is this an OFFICIAL report, lieutenant?" let alone the starship PT109 of TOS.

"Permission to speak freely?" "When do people NOT speak freely around here?"
Yeah I think you're right. The issue is shoe horning hijinks or emotional drama into scenes where the context doesn't warrant it. Other times it works really well, like a lot of Chapel's wry comments that she slips into conversations.

Still, if this crew keeps breaking the rules, it might explain why so few of them carried over to Kirk's command.
 
Hell yes. I find the lack of discipline and self entitlement amongst the modern characters to be soooo frustrating. People are literally dying right now but let's take some time to kiss and talk about our relationship before we go on this dangerous mission. 100 people just died while you were hugging! No wonder so many characters are orphans.
this has literally never happened. what a silly take.
 
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