Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

[Yistaan]

And Flint didn't have the accent.

This kind of reminds me of Shang-Chi's thousand year old father Wenwu commending him for his fluency in English, considering that Wenwu was around before modern English developed and may even somehow have helped develop it.

La'an: Young man, why do you have pet worms in this room?

Khan: Oh, I practice putting them in people's ears.

 

[Uhura's Song]

I remember years ago during TNG and than DS9 some people would get irritated with time travel episodes. Saying they had done too much etc. But it's a part of Trek that will probably be revisted and revisted until the franchise ceases to tell stories. It's an integral part of the franchise. I just hope this is a good one. Sadly once again it looks like Kirk keeps being introduced after time has been altered...lol

I do not recall a time travel episode of TNG. They did a loop. They did Picard jumping thru different timelines, Worf, too. Yesterday's Enterprise came thru a rift. But the away team/Crew traveling back to Earth that was? I think First Contact was the first instance.

As for this episode, I tend to not be a huge fan of the Time Travel stuff. Though there are some serious exceptions. I think "City on the Edge of Forever" is my favorite episode, period. "Carbon Creek" might be my favorite Enterprise episode. "First "Contact" is easily the best TNG movie. I like ST IV a ton. And there are other ones I like a lot.

This one was fine, but not exceptional in my view. I could do without another Kirk reincarnation, but Wesley is doing a decent job. And alternate timeline makes it easier to swallow for me. He and Chong were good together. And La'An is responsible for Pelia becoming an engineer.

 

[Yistaan]

Pelia hoarding junk suddenly makes a lot of sense once you realize that after a century they might become antiques and she can sell them for big bucks. In fact, it might even be how she's supported herself financially for thousands of years.

If La'an looked up ebay, she'd probably see Pelia auctioning off a mint condition Nintendo Entertainment System with the original Super Mario Bros, or something. Not to mention the ultra-rare Captain America #1 comic book from the 1940s.

 

[fireproof78]

I do not recall a time travel episode of TNG.

"Time's Arrow." Samuel Clemmons. Data's head.

It was a whole thing.

Had to be there.

 

[Commander Troi]

I wasn't sure how this ep would go, as time travel can get... weird... and I wasn't that impressed with Wesley's Kirk last time. Nice of SNW to completely subvert my worries!

Christina Chong was *amazing*. Following on last week's episode, with her internalized fear of being/becoming a monster, this was a brilliant exploration of why she keeps herself somewhat apart from everyone else. Watching this tough, no-nonsense women crying her eyes out at the end truly broke my heart.

I also loved watching a little of her daily interactions and frustrations. I totally get working out to let off steam!

Wesley grew on me here. I saw lots of little things that made him "more Kirk-like" for me: the chess games, the hot dogs, teasing La'an about not knowing Hawthorne, his "bluff" to Sera...

Damn. I surprised myself by feeling all the feels when this Kirk died.

So nice to see Toronto instead of the Usual Locations.

Loved them both coming out of the dressing room in the same outfit!

Looking for Pelia in Vermont was a nice Chekhov's Law moment.

"Institute for Cultural Advancement" made me think that whoever originally created Khan and his "siblings" were probably trying to make humanity better. Instead of super soldiers, they may have been trying to create leaders who could move our species forward. I guess they actually did, but not the way they had in mind.

SNW is consistently a joy to watch. And I value that quite highly.

It's funny because Across the Spider-Verse is all about how this is a ludicrous idea.

I cannot hear/read the word "canon" now in the same way.

 

[Tuskin38]

I do not recall a time travel episode of TNG. They did a loop. They did Picard jumping thru different timelines, Worf, too. Yesterday's Enterprise came thru a rift. But the away team/Crew traveling back to Earth that was? I think First Contact was the first instance.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Time's_Arrow_(episode)

 

[Therin of Andor]

Or today if you watch through Amazon Prime in the US. The episode is already up.

I really appreciate that that the time travel ep dropped way earlier than usual! Even Down Under. Timey whimey!

This episode was a hoot! So satisfying in so many ways. Loved it.

 

[Uhura's Song]

This episode was like eating a hotdog with nothing on it- it was fine.

One cannot be pro hot dog and go sans mustard. That is crazy.

 

[Verteron]

I know it's a unique story but I really can't get over the parallels with Picard Season 2.

Reality replaced with dark timeline featuring no Federation and wars
Earth in the alternate present has severe environmental damage
Travel back in time to the 2020s
Gotta stop a major disaster that causes a fork in the road
Major sequence involving a car chase
Meet long-lived 'friendly' you know in the future hanging out on Earth at the time
Involvement of time-travelling Romulan revealed
Family connections to people in the past are a major plot point
Something about Khan shows up at the end
Time travel protection agency shows up and claims they were running the show all along

Is it intentional? Is it a coincidence?

 

[Ovation]

Welcome to Star Trek. We have time travel and artificial gravity and teleporters and faster-than-light travel and aliens that look exactly like humans with rubber stuck to their foreheads. On the Moh's scale of science fiction hardness we rank somewhere around pudding.

Thank you for making my point stronger. With the consistency of pudding, one should not expect anything to remain rigidly in place for time travel stories.

 

[fireproof78]

Is it intentional? Is it a coincidence?

Second one. Trek has a long meandering road of time travel stories. This one wove in ideas from ENT, as well as elements from Trek history, including the whole "Hitler as a baby" time travel idea.

So, coincidence due to similar source material.

One cannot be pro hot dog and go sans mustard. That is crazy.

Plain hotdog all the way for me.

 

[Verteron]

Second one. Trek has a long meandering road of time travel stories. This one wove in ideas from ENT, as well as elements from Trek history, including the whole "Hitler as a baby" time travel idea.

So, coincidence due to similar source material.

You're probably right and in fairness, I could probably make many of the same points about Yesterday's Enterprise or Time's Arrow or Past Tense!

This episode did the formula very well though. Even with the similarities it felt fresh and had a very strong emotional core story with an impossible personal relationship that made it somewhat unique. Shades of 'City on the Edge of Forever' but different to that as well.

 

[Tallguy]

Me? I've been eating hot dogs for lunch all week.

Also – Uhura recognised Pelia as a Lanthanite. The later Enterprise crew didn't recognise Flint as such.

Fixed. Also: Phhht. They'd never even heard of a Gorn.

"Institute for Cultural Advancement" made me think that whoever originally created Khan and his "siblings" were probably trying to make humanity better. Instead of super soldiers, they may have been trying to create leaders who could move our species forward. I guess they actually did, but not the way they had in mind.

Bones: The Eugenics Wars.
Spock: Of course. Your attempt to improve the race through selective breeding.
Bones: Now wait a minute. Not OUR attempt Mr. Spock. A group of ambitious scientists. I'm sure you know the type. Devoted to logic, completely unemotional.

 

[fireproof78]

Fixed. Also: Phhht. They'd never even heard of a Gorn.

Kirk never heard of the Gorn.

Bones: Now wait a minute. Not OUR attempt Mr. Spock. A group of ambitious scientists. I'm sure you know the type. Devoted to logic, completely unemotional.

Just like chiropractors!*



*bonus points for those who recognize that reference.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Have we latched onto the idea that the dying time agent at the beginning was faking his injuries?

 

[JoseNoodles]

Yeah, I agree that it was really great.

Good episode? Or Greatest Episode Ever?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Have we latched onto the idea that the dying time agent at the beginning was a faking his injuries?

Just you.

 

[JoseNoodles]

Plain hotdog all the way for me.

No.

 

[fireproof78]

No.

Tapitos in a pinch.

 

[cooleddie74]

Have we latched onto the idea that the dying time agent at the beginning was a faking his injuries?

I'm not high or drunk so no.