Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

[DaveyNY]

Yes. Also: am I misremembering, or did La'an leave the handgun she took from the Romulan in Kahn's room?

She did.
But it might have disappeared when she did (temporal shenanigans) or perhaps it's the thing that the kid uses to escape and then go on to become the Tyrant he is remembered as.
He had to get out of that lab somehow at some point.

Who's to say it was as an adult.

 

[Tuskin38]

It looked like product placement. Definitely not cool.

Product placement usually is filmed to look cool, so that's why they would be similar.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

To me, the romantic angle happened too quickly to be quite believable, but Christina Chong did a fine job.

It was classic Trek that romantic angle. Felt like homage to me. Kirk falling in love in a matter of hours was not uncommon back in the day. I saw it as a sly wink but also emotionally impactful for the characters.

 

[shivkala]

They don't develop her, they just make her suffer.

Yes! You summed up my problems quite succinctly, thank you!

Same. I'm sitting there thinking: "Throw in a line having him wonder if it's enough! Throw in a line where part of the reason for buying the hot dogs is to get a sense of how much the money is worth! Do something to let us know you've thought about this stuff!!"

Right? I was expecting the hot dog vendor to say, "Sir, I think you gave me too much."

Yes. Also: am I misremembering, or did La'an leave the handgun she took from the Romulan in Kahn's room?

I felt like it was shown to be left on the dresser/desk.

 

[Tallguy]

I need it like a fresh air. Thank you for understanding.

Look at how much dialog he had in Ad Astra per Aspera (not much). Now look at how awesome he was during the trial just sitting there! (I also offer kudos to the editors of that episode.)

The man just has PRESENCE.

I've had street meat Hot Dogs in 4 Provinces, 4 countries, and 3 Continents, and I can safely say that Toronto has the best.

This is really a thing? Cool!

It looked like product placement. The opposite of cool.

Well they could have made up a 21st century muscle car but that's expensive and hard to do and probably looks dumb anyway. It negates all the fun budgetary gains of a time travel episode.

 

[DaveyNY]

Right? I was expecting the hot dog vendor to say, "Sir, I think you gave me too much."

I've never had a street vendor say that to me, they just give me back the change/bills and I say thank you.

 

[Mudd]

Another solid "10."

 

[Captain Jollydark]

They answered it. They said they bribed him.

Which...fine.

"Two Americans with no ID want to enter America. How do they get across?"

*passes two hundred bucks*

I did more hand waving over that posh hotel room though.

 

[UssGlenn]

Interesting that they said that it was a DTI agent that got La’an to help. Usually they don’t actually time travel but make sure the timeline is safe from temporal incursions. Temporal Agents like Daniels etc. are the ones that do the travelling.

DTI doesn't time travel in the late 24th century, but their descendant organizations do, so they must have started at some point. This just tells us it happened before they changed their name.

Khan of Star Trek Into Darkness is specifically said to be a 300 year old man, if he were SNW's version it'd be 200.

So SNW is trying to retcon Space Seed and Picard tried to the same with 'Project Khan' in Picard Season 2. The hilarious thing? They don't even match up.

According to Picard Season 2, Project Khan is funded in 1996 and Adam Soong pulls up the file in 2024. The implication being that Adam makes Khan sometime after 2024.

However, SNW says Khan is roughly a 10 year old kid already alive in 2022, 2 years before Picard Season 2!

Even if you view the Picard Season 2 file as meaning Khan was actually made shortly after 1996, it still wouldn't match strange new worlds because he should be around 20 in SNW.

Picard implies Khan's origins are based in Los Angeles, but he's shown growing up in Toronto Canada in SNW.

What a mess.

Real life is rarely neat and tidy either. The data points are vague enough we can they can definitely fit together with some pondering.

So Pelia is literally just a glorified thief for 2,000 years? She doesn't know any engineering (did she even fly her own starship to get to Earth? Can she leave if she wanted to?)

Pelia isn't an alien. Her people are a sub-species of human, they have always been here.

I do think it'd be interesting to portray Khan less like Hitler and more like Napoleon. Someone that gets a lot of respect even though he was a conquering bastard.

I've always thought the Napoleon comparison was a good one.

My theory about how this goes down.

ENT-TOS-TAS-TNG-DS9-VOY (old Trek)

timeline leads into Temporal War. A Romulan goes back in time and delays the Eugenics Wars from the 1990s to the 21st century. Sera is posted on Earth since circa 1992.

new timeline.

ENT-Disco1&2-SNW-TOS-TAS-TNG-DS9-VOY-PIC etc. (new Trek)

Romulans still angry the Fed forms anyway. This time they send another mission to go back in time and blow up the Noonien-Singh Institute's reactor to kill Khan. The Fed fails to form and leads to Wesley Kirk's United Earth timeline.

Fed Temporal agents are immunized from the changes and still remember the Fed. One goes back in time to tell La'an to restore the Fed, gives La'an the time device, and dies in the process.

Events of Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow

La'an saves Khan and the Fed is restored. Since at least new Trek started we've been in a "close enough" timeline: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CloseEnoughTimeline . Old Trek is still canon in broad strokes (we now have to ignore mentions of 1996 in Space Seed and Wrath of Khan, we probably have to pretend old Trek's 1701 always looked super-advanced, etc.)

I've always thought it was improbable that Mirror universe/Kelvin timeline etc. would still have the same people born as conveninent counterparts to the Prime timeline characters, but we rolled with it. However, in light of TAS and SNW I might theorize that Robert April literally is a genetically different person now because of the timeline changes.

That's really close to my take on the situation

Putting aside the Kelvin timeline, there are 3 timelines we have been watching

Original:
TOS>ST: First Contact

Temporal War version 1:
First Contact>ENT>TOS>TNG>DS9>VOY>Nemesis

Temporal War version 2
(Time agents Delay the Eugenics War)>First Contact>ENT>Disco>SNW>(Alternate high tech TOS)>(very slightly alternate TOS movies)>TNG>DS9>VGR>LD>PRO>PIC

The ripples in the timeline have dissipated by the TNG era, and the timelines become virtually identical.

 

[firehawk12]

They answered it. They said they bribed him.

Which...fine.

"Two Americans with no ID want to enter America. How do they get across?"

*passes two hundred bucks*

It's more unbelievable that they took a 10 hour bus trip just for a 10 minute visit. lol

 

[cooleddie74]

Nothing in this episode felt as awkward as taking a known criminal and kidnapper through a fast food drive thru and then arguing over who gets which food. And I like the other episode.

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[Okmyx]

It was a challenger, obviously. But I couldn't tell if it was a hell cat or a demon. Also, I can't make out the beer bottle brand at pelia's place. Not sure that is product placement ...

 

[DaveyNY]

I did more hand waving over that posh hotel room though.

Probably only about $250 for one night.

 

[tomalak301]

Nothing in this episode felt as awkward as taking a known criminal and kidnapper through a fast food drive thru and then arguing over who gets which food. And I like the other episode.

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Not really a fan of that episode but that was my favorite part, as silly as it was.

 

[wayoung]

Probably only about $250 for one night.

HAHA

I was in Toronto last weekend. A basic hotel room was $550-$650 for a night. That wasn't a basic room.

$250 gets you a room at the university residence.

 

[firehawk12]

Though as early as 1991 and "A Matter of Time(TNG)" Khan was referred to in the same breath as Adolf Hitler as a dangerous and tragic name in Earth's history. Two decades before the Kelvin Timeline revisited the character Khan was already being held up as a dark chapter in human history. So a "good" tyrant or not he was sinister enough that Jean-Luc Picard the amateur but well-read historian viewed him as being one of the bad guys of the past.

To me the sad thing is that it's basically inevitable and humanity is inherently flawed.

It takes literal alien intervention to get us to stop killing each other... instead we have a new target for our collective hatred. lol

 

[KirkusOveractus]

It was a challenger, obviously. But I couldn't tell if it was a hell cat or a demon. Also, I can't make out the beer bottle brand at pelia's place. Not sure that is product placement ...

I think one person who was there for shooting said it was a Hellcat.

Having watched a lot of movies with product placement (including James Bond to a huge degree), I think folks need to look up what product placement is.

 

[Tuskin38]

Though Kirk's line about helping the Vulcans opening a second front in the war, wouldn't Vulcan falling also lead to a second front in the war? Romulans coming from Vulcan space.

 

[Mudd]

It was a challenger, obviously. But I couldn't tell if it was a hell cat or a demon. Also, I can't make out the beer bottle brand at pelia's place. Not sure that is product placement ...

Stellantis is discontinuing the Challenger, a decision they made years ago. It's unlikely that they'd pay to place an obsolete model.

It seems more likely that the producers decided "Kirk wrangling a muscle car would be fun."

 

[Captain Jollydark]

HAHA

I was in Toronto last weekend. A basic hotel room was $550-$650 for a night. That wasn't a basic room.

$250 gets you a room at the university residence.

I was gonna say maybe a cheap motel, not that fancy schmancy suite.