Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x03 - "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow"

[Tiberius Jim]

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So what kind of ship is the Iowa?

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Nothing else is said about it, aside from one line of dialogue from Kirk that he was born in space, aboard the USS Iowa.

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How does the ship apparently look exactly like the prime universe model then? Is that explained?

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Nothing is explained. La'an is on the Bridge of the Enterprise for a minute or two and the graphics in the background look just like Pike's ship. The main difference, besides Kirk being Captain and Ortegas being the navigator instead of at the helm, is the ship being designated the UEF Enterprise and the insignia being different.

 

[tomalak301]

I feel like I cheated and watched the episode early this week but I signed up for the Amazon Free Trial and decided to watch the episode early.

It was ok, but I think it's one of the weaker episodes so far.

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It did remind me of an old (Speaking of obscure TV and what I've been feeling this week with Prodigy) episode of Forrest Whitiker's The Twilight Zone asking the question of would you go back and Kill Hitler when he was still a kid.

It's just this episode seemed kinda dull, and they could have easily used Pike or, heck even Ortegas, and not Kirk. I did like the climax and the ending though.

I think I will go with 6 this week.

 

[Tiberius Jim]

Yeah, I felt it was really strong up until the third act. The big reveal and the antagonist's plan(s) is where it fell a bit flat for me. It did help me like La'an a lot more, though, who up to this point is probably the most unlikable character on the show for me, so there is that.

 

[tomalak301]

Yeah, I felt it was really strong up until the third act. The big reveal and the antagonist's plan(s) is where it fell a bit flat for me. It did help me like La'an a lot more, though, who up to this point is probably the most unlikable character on the show for me, so there is that.

For me, it was the reveal and the end that I liked. Leading up to it could have been stronger, so you and I had opposite takes. I did leave the episode really liking La'An though, so they did a great job with her character development.

 

[Dar70]

It has.

It's stupid, tired and contrived. Being "a part of Trek " doesn't make it more palatable. It just makes it a painful inevitability.

By that logic... isn't being on the starship Enterprise for a fourth series and 16 seasons stupid, tired and contrived???

 

[Tiberius Jim]

For me, it was the reveal and the end that I liked. Leading up to it could have been stronger, so you and I had opposite takes. I did leave the episode really liking La'An though, so they did a great job with her character development.

I do have to say I didn't see

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Sara being the Romulan intruder

coming, so that was a good twist. I just didn't understand how the threat went from

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"We have a bomb we're going to use to destroy the city" to "Oh, look, Baby Khan is here, too so let's kill him." especially since Khan was supposed to have been in power in the 1990s. That line about her waiting since 1992 didn't make any sense.

But yeah, really good character development. Also,

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"I can also make plomeek soup in a toilet!"

made me laugh out loud.

 

[Yistaan]

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So from what I'm reading on here, La'an remembers an alternate timeline romance with Kirk but he doesn't when the timeline is restored. Well, a quick mindmeld with Spock who in turn mind melds with Kirk should help fix that right?

If Khan is really being moved past the 1990s, then Wrath of Khan now happened differently as Khan outright says he fled Earth in 1996 in the movie. Decanonizing the most famous Star Trek film is bound to be controversial.

 

[tomalak301]

I do have to say I didn't see

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Sara being the Romulan intruder

coming, so that was a good twist. I just didn't understand how the threat went from

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"We have a bomb we're going to use to destroy the city" to "Oh, look, Baby Khan is here, too so let's kill him." especially since Khan was supposed to have been in power in the 1990s. That line about her waiting since 1992 didn't make any sense.

But yeah, really good character development. Also,

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"I can also make plomeek soup in a toilet!"

made me laugh out loud.

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Yeah the stuff leading up to the reveal I could take or leave. I wasn't really a fan of the Romulan intruder. However, the scene I'm talking about and what I liked was the scene with La'An and little Khan in the room together. From that point to the end, it actually helped salvage the episode for me a little. I also loved the Plomeek soup line.

 

[Tiberius Jim]

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Yeah the stuff leading up to the reveal I could take or leave. I wasn't really a fan of the Romulan intruder. However, the scene I'm talking about and what I liked was the scene with La'An and little Khan in the room together. From that point to the end, it actually helped salvage the episode for me a little. I also loved the Plomeek soup line.

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That scene I did find interesting. To be face to face with your own ancestor who you know did terrible things and the knowledge that you could remove him from the timeline while not Marty McFlying yourself out of it along with him. To look past all the reasons why she should to the greater reasons why she shouldn't. Definitely some great character development. Her scene after "hanging up" with Lt. Kirk was pretty powerful, too.

 

[Racefuel]

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We don't see the ship from the exterior, but the graphics on the bridge depict it as looking just like Pike's.

I thought the fact

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that he was born on the USS Iowa

was a little bit too on the nose.

The latest preview has an exterior establishing shot

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

@Yistaan...

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In TWOK, Khan says he left Earth in 1996 and in the same scene he refers to his reign as being 200 years ago. So obviously those both can't be true.

At first I thought the 1996 line was, since it nails down a calendar year, but I guess it's now the "200 years ago" line.

Also, PIC explains the 1992-96 thing as being when the eugenics project was being financed, not when the wars actually occurred. So there's that.

In the end, we can rest assured, TWOK hasn't been decanonized, and history hasn't been altered. I used to think it had been. But this is an explanation we can live with, IMHO.

 

[Yistaan]

@Yistaan...

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In TWOK, Khan says he left Earth in 1996 and in the same scene he refers to his reign as being 200 years ago. So obviously those both can't be true.

At first I thought the first line was, since it nails down a calendar year, but I guess it's now the second line.

Also, PIC explains the 1992-96 thing as being when the eugenics project was being financed, not when the wars actually occurred. So there's that.

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Picard said nothing other than a 'Project Khan' funding report was submitted in 1996. That could mean anything up to and including funding to recreate Khan who had just left, or just some project named after him.

As for the 200 years, considering it's 289 years after 1996 in WoK, it still works as shorthand. And Khan also handwaves the 18 years since his stranding on Ceti Alpha V as 15 years. 1996 however was very specific.

 

[Tiberius Jim]

The latest preview has an exterior establishing shot

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That establishing shot is from the beginning of the episode, before La'an goes back in time.

 

[Tuskin38]

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"We have a bomb we're going to use to destroy the city" to "Oh, look, Baby Khan is here, too so let's kill him." especially since Khan was supposed to have been in power in the 1990s. That line about her waiting since 1992 didn't make any sense.

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She said the events were supposed to happen back in 1992, so something went screwy with the timeline. At least, that's what it sounded like to me

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Wow. Haven't seen this many spoiler tags since David Cronenberg showed up in the second season finale of this show and shot Spock dead.

 

[Yistaan]

Wow. Haven't seen this many spoiler tags since David Cronenberg showed up in the second season finale of this show and shot Spock dead.

Star Trek: The Wrath of Kovich

 

[fireproof78]

Wow. Haven't seen this many spoiler tags since David Cronenberg showed up in the second season finale of this show and shot Spock dead.

He had to stop him from shooting Kennedy.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Or today if you watch through Amazon Prime in the US. The episode is already up.

Why so early?

 

[tomalak301]

Why so early?

I'd like to think they want to quell the anger of removing prodigy, but considering they aren't the type to have that kind of customer service, I'm thinking someone made a mistake.

 

[NCC-73515]

Do they show more 29th century things, like ships, tech, uniforms, aside from the little tcars display from the clip?