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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x02 - "Ad Astra Per Aspera"

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Illyrians who cease to use genetic modification are no longer Illyrians.

Yes, they are.

You can't change your species. Una was born an Illyrian, and she will be one until she dies. Regardless of how 'engineered' she is.

And even if Illyrians, as a race, routinely engage in genetic engineering, that doesn't mean they ALL do. There could be Illyrians who haven't been modified at all.

i mean, you wouldn't say that humans without artificial limbs are no longer human, would you? Same story here. Many, many humans DO have prosthetics. But not all of them.
 
The lawyer gave the tribunal an out and they took it. Not exactly a difficult concept
No.

The Client thought up the "perfect defense" and did not tell their lawyer, for months, and not till after the verdict.

The Client thought up the perfect defense and did not tell her criminal co-conspirators threatened with decades in jail, for months, and not till after the verdict.

The Client thought up the perfect defense and waited 6 months, until everyone was about to go to jail for 2 decades, when she could have told her criminal co-conspirators the night before she turned herself into Starfleet. In fact if her plan was to have accidentally defacto requested for asylum by going through the motions of asking for asylum, without actually asking for asylum, and then her Lawyer noticing at the very last second that she sorta asked for asylum figuratively, before they all go to jail forever, why not just literally have asked for asylum for reals 6 months ago?

Like a conderseding super genius asshole, she laid subtle bread crumbs that a regular non super genius would eventually figure out if she spoke slowly enough with very small words.

More so that the lawyer figured out the dense half way through testimony on the stand, and the bench could see that. Their defense was not seeking asylum from Starfleet 6 months ago when she entered a criminal conspiracy with Pike, their defense was only Asylum as of 5 minutes before the verdict, on the stand, 6 months after she committed actions that had nothing to do with Asylum as far as the lawyer knew.

There was no non-asshole reason to keep the lawyer in the dark about defense strategy. She sounded like a 4 year old with her hand stuck in the cookie jar, making up a fantastic and unbelievable story about how some other kid stole all the cookies.
 
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Yes, they are.

You can't change your species. Una was born an Illyrian, and she will be one until she dies. Regardless of how 'engineered' she is.

And even if Illyrians, as a race, routinely engage in genetic engineering, that doesn't mean they ALL do. There could be Illyrians who haven't been modified at all.

i mean, you wouldn't say that humans without artificial limbs are no longer human, would you? Same story here. Many, many humans DO have prosthetics. But not all of them.
I agree but that's not the language used in the episode. Very odd.
 
No.

The Client thought up the "perfect defense" and did not tell their lawyer, for months, and not till after the verdict.

The Client thought up the perfect defense and did not tell her criminal co-conspirators threatened with decades in jail, for months, and not till after the verdict.

The Client thought up the perfect defense and waited 6 months, until everyone was about to go to jail for 2 decades, when she could have told her criminal co-conspirators the night before she turned herself into Starfleet. In fact if her plan was to have accidentally defacto requested for asylum by going through the motions of asking for asylum, without actually asking for asylum, and then her Lawyer noticing at the very last second that she sorta asked for asylum figuratively, before they all go to jail forever, why not just literally have asked for asylum for reals 6 months ago?

Like a condescending super genius asshole, she laid subtle bread crumbs that a regular non super genius would eventually figure out if she spoke slowly enough with very small words.

More so that the lawyer figured out the dense half way through testimony on the stand, and the bench could see that. Their defense was not seeking asylum from Starfleet 6 months ago when she entered a criminal conspiracy with Pike, their defense was only Asylum as of 5 minutes before the verdict, on the stand, 6 months after she committed actions that had nothing to do with Asylum as far as the lawyer knew.

There was no non-asshole reason to keep the lawyer in the dark about defense strategy. She sounded like a 4 year old with her hand stuck in the cookie jar, making up a fantastic and unbelievable story about how some other kid stole all the cookies.
What are you talking about? I think you misunderstood what happened in the episode. Una did not think up the asylum defense before her lawyer brought it up. Una saying “you figured it all out” did not mean that she knew all along Neera would bring up this very defense.
 
Well we know the Federation has been embargoing Romulan Ale (i.e., the Star Trek universe's equivalent of Cuban cigars) from at least the late 23rd century to the late 24th.
Oh yes, that's right... So Illyrians are doing something terribly illegal but aren't being sanctioned then... lol
 
What are you talking about? I think you misunderstood what happened in the episode. Una did not think up the asylum defense before her lawyer brought it up. Una saying “you figured it all out” did not mean that she knew all along Neera would bring up this very defense.

Una "You set me up."
Neera "How so?"
Una "You figured it all out. My admission. What would happen when you put me on the stand. You knew all of it."
Neera "No. Not all of it."
Una "Thank you for saving my life."
Neera "Hey, what are friends for?"
UNa "Yeah".

I thought the other woman said "you set me up" but my understanding still holds if there is a Supreme Court. Una was not planning on bringing out the Asylum defense until she appealed and appealed and got to the highest court where a positive verdict in her favour would create law. Which is weird since Neera was more interested in recodifying Federation law on the Augments than #1.

Number One wanted to keep Asylum defense in her back pocket for later, and Neera did not care for that.

All the hand holding and touching? They used to date?
 
The lawyer gave the tribunal an out and they took it. Not exactly a difficult concept.
And if her trial had "blown up" in the way that VAdm. Pasalk was trying to make happen, bigger secrets could have come out in the process. Kiley 279 leading back to the Battle of Xahea and why that battle happened in the first place...

And now I'm wondering again about the Admiralty. April, Pasalk, Terral, Zus Tlaggul, Javas, Shukar...
 
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