Which is part of their culture and when both parties agree. Seems different from jailing children for being genetically altered by their parents. If Vulcan rounded people up who expressed emotion and forced them to fight to the death that would be a different story.
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Which is part of their culture and when both parties agree. Seems different from jailing children for being genetically altered by their parents. If Vulcan rounded people up who expressed emotion and forced them to fight to the death that would be a different story.
While Star Trek missed it, Japanese Anime / Manga / Light Novel didn't.
The Crest of the Stars / Banner of the Stars franchise is all about that Genetic Engineering and the story literally focuses on the Abh Species that was genetically engineered humans to live in space. A literal "Slave Race" that humanity created and rebeled to form their own literal Space Empire.
David Gerrold's "Voyages of the STAR WOLF" series also chronicles a battle between humanity and genetically engineered beings who dubbed themselves "Morthans" (as in, More than human).
Fallout kind of tries with it too. It's an interesting, if sometimes predictable, premise, harkening back to Frankenstein.
That's where common policing of Genetic Engineering Technology and staff comes in.
It takes alot of specialized knowledge to Genetically Engineer, it's not like Legos that you can just slap together.
I've never liked Social media, it's always been a flaming Dumpster Fire.
I don't trust "Silicon Valley Tech Bros".
They're the SCUM of the Earth.
The current "Silicon Valley Tech Bros" make the OG Silicon Valley innovators like Bill Gates & Steve Wozniak look like saints.
Didn't Worf's Human Brother get too close to a Pre-Warp FTL society and inpregnated one of the locals?
Then, on top of that, dragged the USS Enterprise-D into moving the colony via Holodeck Tom Foolery?
You can keep your Lego Model of DNA, it won't do squat compared to a Masters or Bachelors in Bio-Engineering.*quietly puts Lego model of DNA away*
That knowledge you gain at the University Level is far more valuable than your Lego Model of DNA and Zero Practical Experience on Genetic Engineering.
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Humor. It's a tough concept.
Hey, I really like "Rules of Engagement!"
I think you're right and this helps me understand it a lot better, so thank you. They realised they had a law that was unfair and it took seeing Una as an asylum seeker to get to that point.
So is there some Starfleet rule that the prosecuting officer in a court martial has to be a girlfriend of the Captain being prosecuted?
Areel Shaw prosecuting Kirk in TOS.
Phillipa Louvois prosecuting Picard in TNG.
Batel prosecuting Una (and by proxy Pike) in SNW.
It was already pointed out as odd in TOS. Having it happen again in TNG was strange but "Measure of a Man" was so good that fans let it slide. But to have it happen yet again in SNW is just stretching credibility to the extreme.
Areel Shaw prosecuting Kirk in TOS.
Phillipa Louvois prosecuting Picard in TNG.
Batel prosecuting Una (and by proxy Pike) in SNW.
It was already pointed out as odd in TOS. Having it happen again in TNG was strange but "Measure of a Man" was so good that fans let it slide. But to have it happen yet again in SNW is just stretching credibility to the extreme.
It's an example of the Federation ceding to local authority and turning a blind eye. See also Ardana.
Kirk sure didn't agree to a fight to the death.
It makes perfect sense
No accusation was made, no one was acquitted. Have you even watched it?
Since we don't know what that act says, we cannot make such assumptions
The notion that Data is a new lifeform, not a device, and the implications of the case going far beyond this one android. In dubio pro reo, you know.
Mirror Spock preferred his science duties and didn't desire the captaincy (or was it captain's seat?), and there's no reason to assume Prime Spock felt differently.
Soul is also a general term for self-aware consciousness. It's a philosophical term as well as religious.
Writing before I read the Thread here.
Another 10 from me (Yes, I'm a broken record but this one was GOOD.)
Porobably the undisputed best 'Courtroom' episodes of the Star Trek franchise and all the actors performances were out of the park here. Another example of classic Star Trek at its best.
Loved:
- The Starbase Lounge scene with Ortegas and M'Benga watching Spock and Vice Admiral Pasalk sitting and talking while she provides 'dialogue' thinking they are both on friendly Vulcan terms while M'Benga (who we know from TOS interned in a Vulcan hospital) can REALLY tell what's going on between them and informs Ortegas "...They hate each other." Then Spock comes over and apologizes to them both, of course not realizing only M'Benga picked up on Spock's 'obvious'
outburst. That was hilarious and marvelous.
- The manner in which Uhura spoke to and denied La'an's request for personal logs. Again both performances were marvelous in that small scene.
- The Starbase lounge scene between Captain Batel and Pike where she easily shows him why he should NEVER be called as a witness for Una in this case.
- That we got some of Admiral Pike's history as Captain of the USS Enterprise in the 2240s. (I will say that given some of his actions, I have to ask who/why he wasn't court martialed by Starfleet especially for sharing Federation advanced Tech with a privative culture to avert/end a drought.) In SNW S1E1 Starfleet seemed ready to throw the book at Pike for something April also did 10 years earlier, but it's Pike's actions that cause Star Fleet to start calling it the Prime Directive?) 
- The exchange between La'an an d Neera wher La'an reveals her own internal struggle/fears about being a Augment descendent. the reaction shown by teh actress playing Neera in the scene was wonderful.
- That the Vulcan Vice Admiral Pasalk immediately takes over the questioning from Captain Batel because he realizes she probably would never elicit the answer he really wants from Una: That she told Captain Pike she was Illyrian and he never informed Starfleet Command and kept it to himself.
Stuff that made me go
- Sorry but the idea Captain Batel (who is also a Captain in full command of a Federation Constitution/Starship Class vessel herself) is somehow an 'on-call' prosecutor with the Star Fleet HQ Judge Advocate General's Office; and further that they just have her ship sitting in Earth orbit with the crew twiddling their collective thumbs for weeks while she goes off to litigate this case. (Of course In terms of what it does for the story it of course adds great narrative drama and tension, so I get why the writer took that path, as unbelievable as it would be IRL)
- IDK if I'd honestly call Pike keeping her secret after Una told him for 4 months technically "Granting her asylum..." - but hey, that why they call it 'space fantasy'...
Overall, I really enjoyed this one a lot; and the performances given by the cast here across the board on this episode were great.
I know I keep giving 10's...but hey, sue me. This is a version of my favorite classic Star Trek that I am really enjoying to the hilt.
Another 10 from me (Yes, I'm a broken record but this one was GOOD.)
Porobably the undisputed best 'Courtroom' episodes of the Star Trek franchise and all the actors performances were out of the park here. Another example of classic Star Trek at its best.
Loved:
- The Starbase Lounge scene with Ortegas and M'Benga watching Spock and Vice Admiral Pasalk sitting and talking while she provides 'dialogue' thinking they are both on friendly Vulcan terms while M'Benga (who we know from TOS interned in a Vulcan hospital) can REALLY tell what's going on between them and informs Ortegas "...They hate each other." Then Spock comes over and apologizes to them both, of course not realizing only M'Benga picked up on Spock's 'obvious'
outburst. That was hilarious and marvelous.- The manner in which Uhura spoke to and denied La'an's request for personal logs. Again both performances were marvelous in that small scene.
- The Starbase lounge scene between Captain Batel and Pike where she easily shows him why he should NEVER be called as a witness for Una in this case.
- That we got some of Admiral Pike's history as Captain of the USS Enterprise in the 2240s. (I will say that given some of his actions, I have to ask who/why he wasn't court martialed by Starfleet especially for sharing Federation advanced Tech with a privative culture to avert/end a drought.) In SNW S1E1 Starfleet seemed ready to throw the book at Pike for something April also did 10 years earlier, but it's Pike's actions that cause Star Fleet to start calling it the Prime Directive?
) - The exchange between La'an an d Neera wher La'an reveals her own internal struggle/fears about being a Augment descendent. the reaction shown by teh actress playing Neera in the scene was wonderful.
- That the Vulcan Vice Admiral Pasalk immediately takes over the questioning from Captain Batel because he realizes she probably would never elicit the answer he really wants from Una: That she told Captain Pike she was Illyrian and he never informed Starfleet Command and kept it to himself.
Stuff that made me go
- Sorry but the idea Captain Batel (who is also a Captain in full command of a Federation Constitution/Starship Class vessel herself) is somehow an 'on-call' prosecutor with the Star Fleet HQ Judge Advocate General's Office; and further that they just have her ship sitting in Earth orbit with the crew twiddling their collective thumbs for weeks while she goes off to litigate this case. (Of course In terms of what it does for the story it of course adds great narrative drama and tension, so I get why the writer took that path, as unbelievable as it would be IRL
)- IDK if I'd honestly call Pike keeping her secret after Una told him for 4 months technically "Granting her asylum..." - but hey, that why they call it 'space fantasy'...
Overall, I really enjoyed this one a lot; and the performances given by the cast here across the board on this episode were great.
I know I keep giving 10's...but hey, sue me. This is a version of my favorite classic Star Trek that I am really enjoying to the hilt.
I wonder if the Search for Spock was rough for the secularists in the audience.
They specifically state in this episode (in the courtroon testimony) that Captain Pike has known about Una's secret for 4 Months; so in universe only 4 months have passed between the events in SNW S1 E3 Ghosts Of Ilirya, and this latest episode.
^^^
Given that, it's clear they are not doing the one season = 1 year in Universe that some past Trek series did in the Berman & Braga era.
Exactly, I'm fairly sure emotions don't actually come from the heart either
Yep, DS9 broke this goddamn thing.
No the worst one was Riker on Trial in te Holodeck - TNG S3 A Matter Of Perspective where I was really watching a bad soap opera masquerading as a Star Trek franchise episode.
