Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x01 - "The Broken Circle"
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I wasn't aware this was a Vulcan saying.
It sounds much better in the original Klingon.
That and their 1701-D Bridge set recreation.
Hmm. I understand that we'll be exploring Pelia's backstory further. I wonder if we eventually find out that at some point she was the wife of Miracle Max, and at another point, she was a late 20th/early 21st century actress going by the name "Carole Kane."
Hmm. So we find out more about the stuff M'Benga and Chapel shot up with later.
Hmm. So we find out more about the stuff M'Benga and Chapel shot up with later.
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Are we not going to address Chapel here?
It kind of makes sense that Spock... continues to pursue something with her even after he and T'Pring aren't "on a break" anymore.
T'Pring gets super pissed about it (despite probably doing the same with Stonn)
Spock ends up disliking Chapel, as per TOS as he always had an attitude of "eww, no go away" despite her continuing to throw herself at him.
Chapel is already irredeemable after taking advantage of Spock while he was in recovery from what is essentially a traumatic brain injury and had broken with up with T'Pring like, an hour prior.
Irredeemable, eh? Interesting choice of words.
I don't know if Spock dislikes Chapel, as that didn't strike me as the relationship in TOS. I think it's more Spock becomes less and less content with his human side and works to deny it more and more and Chapel is a reminder of that side, and his own perceived weaknesses of his human part.
Pelia: "You know, I was for a time I was married to a guy who called himself 'Flint,' and claimed he was even older than me. It started out great, but finally, our relationship deteriorated to the point he bought his own planet and moved there after the divorce because he wanted to be absolutely sure he'd never run into me again..."
Bullshit. Spock was fully mentally recovered and perfectly capable of consenting. And he was the one who initiated, not Christine.
Christine is awesome.
Spock never disliked Christine in TOS. He was unhappy with the way he felt toward her. Maybe a little projection in there.
That was perhaps a clunky way of saying what I meant. Spock didn't dislike Chapel, he was just very much not interested in her and found her constant attempts to be... annoying?
That's never been my read.
Romantic tension and not wanting to give in to his human feelings out of fear of what that would mean and how weak he would then believe himself to be. That's how I always read it and thanks to SNW and what we now know happens to their relationship prior to 2266 it was a correct read.
I feel like either way, Chapels continued unwanted advances are problematic.
Spock made a choice to devote himself to the Vulcan way. It feels... mildly racist for Chapel to try to get Spock to be... less Vulcan? Not that Spock isn't subject to a weird amount of mild racism throughout TOS anyway.
No.
SNW does a really good job of recontextualizing the scene they share in "Amok Time" and showing them to have a more familiar and conflicted relationship than previous episodes of TOS had suggested (but then, Sturgeon was a brilliant writer, with more insight than all but one or two who others worked for the show):
Mainly, though, it reminds me that I'd much rather watch Bush and Peck play these characters than Nimoy and Barrett.
What "continued unwanted advances?" At every turn, Spock has been the one making advances. Spock is the one who kissed her in "The Serene Squall." Spock is the one who goes down to sickbay to talk to Christine about the kiss -- immediately after sex with T'Pring, I might add. Spock is the one who goes from accepting Christine's attempt to comfort him to acting like he wants to kiss her in "All Those Who Wander." Spock is the one who freaks out over Christine's near-death in "The Broken Circle." Human-Spock is the one who damn near hits on her in the bathroom with T'Pring and her parents in his living room, and Spock is the one who initiates things when they finally kiss and start a relationship.
By contrast, it is Christine who immediately shoots down Spock's attempt to talk about their feelings after the faux kiss; it is Christine who stops Human-Spock from hitting on her in the bathroom; it is Christine who was reluctant to openly admit her feelings for Spock until extradimensional energy aliens forced her to; it was Christine who harbored continued doubts about their relationship even after it began; and it was Christine who decided to end their relationship.
I really don't know what show people are watching when they say Christine keeps hitting on Spock or is the initiator in their relationship. She likes flirting with him, but it was Spock who kept going for something more.
Spock is clearly in his experimental phase.
Next will be the beatnik phase.
Next will be the beatnik phase.
Wonder when he'll go through his Blazer, band shirt, and horn-rim glasses phase..... or maybe that was just me.
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