Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x07 - "The Serene Squall"

[Sci]

Byzantium Forever

I think you mean Lygos.

Capt. Angel did not at all strike me as the type of person Sybok would hang around with, much less be in a relationship with. Sybok was said by Shatner himself to be based on Christian televangelists.

I mean, I think that's literalizing things a little bit too much. There's no reason a Vulcan heretic would have a set of sexual taboos similar to white American Evangelical Christians.

To be fair a lot of Christian televangelists in the '80s had affairs with young women that had daring personalities. So, yeah, she totally tracks, especially if it's a younger Sybok whose tastes have yet to reach the "no time for love, time for seeking out the center of the galaxy" stage.

Excellent point! A lot of those guys have had affairs and have otherwise had sex lives very different from what they preached in public.

 

[ananta]

Just catching up on these episodes. I was actually really disappointed with this one and found it the weakest of the season by far. I found my attention straying to my phone which is never a good sign. I’m blaming the tepid, unengaging plot and a really poor guest performance by Jesse James Kietel—particularly in the latter scenes where Kietel began chewing the scenery and spitting it back out and going embarrassingly overboard on the camp. Nana Visitor could get away with that (for a while at least) as the Intendant because she had the charisma and screen presence, but Kietel not so much.

Tonally, the episode was all over the place and might have fared better if they’d decided they were going for comedic and stuck with that. I was also less than excited by the Sybok revelation. I can accept ST V for the deeply flawed but rather fun mess it is, but I really did not need the producers to go there ever again.

 

[Mudd]

Keitel was brilliant throughout the episode.

I guess that if she's going to be back in season two she's already shot her appearance(s) - we're in a weird time-warp here, where the next season is essentially done with production while the first season is airing.

 

[Kor]

Capt. Angel did not at all strike me as the type of person Sybok would hang around with, much less be in a relationship with. Sybok was said by Shatner himself to be based on Christian televangelists.

But that's in the broad sense that Sybok was a charismatic charlatan who attracted blindly devoted followers, which is how Shatner perceived such figures. We don't actually know anything about what Sybok believes or teaches, other than rejecting conservative Vulcan logic in favor of 'the animal passions of their ancestors,' and this New Age-y 'sharing your pain' with him to gain strength, and also thinking that he will find God in the nougat-filled center of the Milky Way. It's not unlikely that the rejection of Vulcan logic could include rejection of what the EMH in Voyager described as the Vulcans' "remarkably Victorian attitude about sex."

Kor

 

[Noname Given]

Capt. Angel did not at all strike me as the type of person Sybok would hang around with, much less be in a relationship with. Sybok was said by Shatner himself to be based on Christian televangelists.

^^^
So they made her a Pirate instead of a Hooker...

 

[dupersuper]

^^^
So they made her a Pirate instead of a Hooker...

Though one can be both...

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[Cyrus]

Loved this episode. Started slow but then got interesting.

The guest actor was fantastic.

The pirate Pike was hilarious. The Pike/boy scout scene was funny too.

When Spock said he knew who the Vulcan prisoner was I guessed it would be Sybok.

Interesting that Chapel knows about Sybok, TPring, Sarek being Spock's dad, and even Katras, but her future Enterprise crew (Kirk, McCoy, etc) will be entirely clueless about all of these.

 

[jackoverfull]

Indeed. Chapel not being aboard after TMP helps a lot.

 

[Mudd]

Loved this episode. Started slow but then got interesting.

The guest actor was fantastic.

The pirate Pike was hilarious. The Pike/boy scout scene was funny too.

When Spock said he knew who the Vulcan prisoner was I guessed it would be Sybok.

Interesting that Chapel knows about Sybok, TPring, Sark being Spock's dad, and even Katras, but her future Enterprise crew (Kirk, McCoy, etc) will be entirely clueless about all of these.

If we ever get back to that, she will.

 

[Kor]

Apparently Chapel greatly respects Spock's privacy, I guess. And/or he became more of a private person under Kirk's command than he was with Pike and Co.

Kor

 

[Voodoowoman2]

Remember. The whole Spock/Chapel kiss is now recorded in the ship's logs. Hope nobody gets ahold of it.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

I think stating she had an ex-girlfriend who was so furious at her casualness says as much that she's bi or pan.



Well, we know she's nonbinary but not her sexual relationships.

Chapel states "It was only once. It was a misunderstanding." No relationship.

 

[Sci]

Who on this particular show is LGBTQ?
Pike is heterosexual, per his encounters with his captain buddy and Alora.

Correction: You are assuming he is straight because so far the sexual partners we have seen have been women. Nothing has explicitly established him as straight and nothing has specifically precluded the possibility of him having male or nonbinary partners.

Spock is heterosexual, per his encounters with T’Pring.

Same.

Christine Chapel is heterosexual, though possibly bisexual, given some of her conversations with Erica.

Erica specifically refers to Christine as having a female former sexual partner in "Spock Amok," so she is probably bisexual or pansexual.

Erica presents as gay, though I suppose she could be bisexual as well.

In what sense does Erica "present as gay?" Because she has a short haircut?

Dr. M’Benga is presumably heterosexual, though nothing has been said about where Rukiya’s mother might be.

I don't think anyone has made any reference whatsoever to Joseph's sexual orientation. Having a child is already no indication of sexual orientation, and it would presumably be even less of an indication as fertility treatments and reproductive technology advance.

I personally assume that the guest star Angel/Aspen was written as mainly female, however the actor might identify.

Captain Angel is explicitly referred to with they/them pronouns the entire episode -- they are nonbinary. Their actor, however, is a transgender woman.

Interesting that Chapel knows about Sybok, TPring, Sarek being Spock's dad, and even Katras, but her future Enterprise crew (Kirk, McCoy, etc) will be entirely clueless about all of these.

I suspect this is in some way linked to the evolution Spock is going to go through. We already know from behind-the-scenes bits that they made a conscious decision to portray Spock as being more emotionally expressive in this part of his life than in TOS, consistent with his depiction in "The Cage." I suspect that as Spock becomes more overtly "Vulcan" and more emotionally closed off, he will become more secretive and private as well.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

T'Pring's log at the beginning mentioned that the rehab facility was for Vulcans without logic who had comitted other crimes, up to and including murder. So just abandoning logic was not enough for inprisonment, you had to do something criminal.

I assume there are other facilities for Vulcans who commit crimes while still embracing logic (or their interpretation of it); Vulcans similar to Valeris or the Vulcan terrorist in TNG Gambit played by Robin Curtis, but they keep them seperate from the Sense Offenders (to borrow a term from the movie Equilibrium, where you are executed for not taking a drug that supresses your emotions) so as not to poison their already corrupted minds with illogic, believing they are easier to rehab and rejoin society.

I imagine the trade-off for getting out of prison is that you have to fully embrace logic and purge all emotions, so in a way it is sort of a dystopia in that there's forced compliance with the dominant philosophy.

That's why Sybok is still rotting away in his cell. He won't comply and accept the way of Kohlinar.

Why? Why can't you serve your sentence and be released without embracing Logic? This is a violation of basic rights. It's like being told you have to repent and accept Jesus as your Saviour or you aren't getting out.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Why? Why can't you serve your sentence and be released without embracing Logic? This is a violation of basic rights. It's like being told you have to repent and accept Jesus as your Saviour or you aren't getting out.

The Feds always turn a blind eye to Vulcan shenanigans.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Chapel states "It was only once. It was a misunderstanding." No relationship.

No, she was saying it was only once that a girlfriend tried to kill her.

 

[Voodoowoman2]

I was whiskeyed up when I watched this and I haven't rewatched yet, so I may not remember the scene clearly, but...

did T'Pring actually suggest to Spock that they take their relationship polyamorous?

Well....This opens up possibilities.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Well....This opens up possibilities.

Well, on a subsequent sober re-watch it turns out that was not what she was suggesting at all.

 

[cooleddie74]

The Feds always turn a blind eye to Vulcan shenanigans.

When you're one of the four senior founding members of the Federation you probably get off scot-free a lot. Andorian and Tellarite tempers alone have to cause some pretty bad problems at times.

 

[Sci]

Why? Why can't you serve your sentence and be released without embracing Logic? This is a violation of basic rights. It's like being told you have to repent and accept Jesus as your Saviour or you aren't getting out.

Perhaps Vulcan v'tosh ka'tur prisoners can apply to transfer to UFP-run facilities but the trade-off is that upon completing their sentences, they have to emigrate out of Vulcan territory if they remain v'tosh ka'tur.