• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x07 - "The Serene Squall"

Hit it!

  • Total voters
    211
Guy Gardener said:
If contraception works, Pon far is irrelevant.
Click to expand...
I thought we already knew that: it’s an inconvenient relic of the past.

Guy Gardener said:
Although the Motion Picture adaptation written by Gene Riddenberry does say its only once every seven years.
Click to expand...
that book also says that the Mediterranean Sea no longer exist and that human family units are rare. It’s not canon.

Guy Gardener said:
Meanwhile on Genesis we saw Spock go through Pon Far 5 times,
Click to expand...
no we didn’t.

Guy Gardener said:
and he only had one baby,
Click to expand...
no he hasn’t.

Guy Gardener said:
and did not attempt to have sex between Pon Far even once.
Click to expand...
you don’t know that.
 
JulieYBM said:
No, you just don't care. You're not invested in the queer community and do not care about our victories.
Click to expand...

Is everyone required to be invested? Kudos to your victory but the world is not all about you. Everyone has victories, defeats, problems, battles, sadness, happiness, disappointment in their lives. Are you invested in other people's victories who aren't lgbtq? I admit I also missed the gender identity bit because I was trying to figure out where the actual story itself was headed. Does that make me a bad person?
 
NCC-73515 said:
[Captain's mess]

(Archer is choking on his food.)
TUCKER: Excuse me?
T'POL: I asked if you've
ARCHER: We heard you. What makes you think we're suffering from a lack of sexual activity?
T'POL: Starfleet forbids officers from fraternising with subordinates. Unless you've been violating regulations
TUCKER: Those regulations don't apply to you. Have you been suffering?
T'POL: On Vulcan, we mate only once every seven years.
TUCKER: That's a hell of a dry spell.

Thank you so much for trying to play as well. Sadly, we're out of gifts now... :p
Click to expand...

And we've seen on SNW that Vulcans do it whenever they like..

Maurice wins this round.
 
Guy Gardener said:
I'm not asking questions because I don't know the answers. I stating the questions, so that my answers do not seem so random.

Amok Time says that Vulcans have sex once every 7 years.

A statement that has been shredded over the years by common sense.

So every seven years nature forces a bonded couple to make a baby, but they were having recreational sex and maybe even procreational sex all the time anyway, which makes one wonder about contraception, and homosexuality.

If contraception works, Pon far is irrelevant. If there is a population crisis, pair bond a few same sex couples. Or some one figures out that they are gay after they are pair bonded at the age of seven and they would rather kill a dude, than burrow into the valley of a woman, then they kill a dude every 7 years until they hit menopause.
Click to expand...
You know I just watched TOS S2 Amok Time again last night, and one things that stood out:

Yes Spock was experiencing Pon Farr; but I think it's implied that there was a bit more to it this time because he was also experiencing Koon-ut-kal-if-fee.

Mr.Spock:...One touches the other in order to feel each other's thoughts. In this way our minds were locked together, so that at the proper time, we would both be drawn to Koon-ut-kal-if-fee.
^^^
So for whatever reason that might be an aspect of Pon Farr that Spock was talking about that he wanted to avoid/he "...hoped he would be spared this..."

And it makes sense because if you were a Vulcan but had never gone through a Vulcan 'bonding ceremony' like Spock had at age 7, yes you would experience the Pon Farr urge every 7 years; but you would never experience Pon Farr combined with the urge of: Koon-ut-kal-if-fee; which most likely adds a whole other layer of Madness on top of a normal Pon Farr urge.

So yeah it wad the Koon-ut-kal-if-fee aspect that caused Spock all the problems we saw in the TOS episode Amok Time, and that would only occur in a Vulcan's life if said Vulcan were so bonded at an early age - and once that situation had occurred, subsequent episodes of Pon Farr wouldn't be so intense or biologically life-threatening to a Vulcan.
 
Last edited:
Noname Given said:
You know I just watched TOS S2 Amok Time again last night, and one things that stood out:

Yes Spock was experiencing Pon Farr; but I think it's implied that there was a bit more to it this time because he was also experiencing Koon-ut-kal-if-fee.

Mr.Spock:...One touches the other in order to feel each other's thoughts. In this way our minds were locked together, so that at the proper time, we would both be drawn to Koon-ut-kal-if-fee.
^^^
So for whatever reason that might be an aspect of Pon Farr that Spock was talking about that he wanted to avoid/he "...hoped he would be spared this..."

And it makes sense because if you were a Vulcan but had never gone through a Vulcan 'bonding ceremony' like Spock had at age 7, yes you would experience the Pon Farr urge every 7 years; but you would never experience Pon Farr combined with the urge of: Koon-ut-kal-if-fee; which most likely adds a whole other layer of Madness on top of a normal Pon Farr urge.

So yeah it wad the Koon-ut-kal-if-fee aspect that caused Spock all the problems we saw in the TOS episode Amok Time, and that would only occur in a Vulcan's life if said Vulcan were so bonded at an early age - and once that situation had occurred, subsequent episodes of Pon Farr wouldn't be so intense or biologically life-threatening to a Vulcan.
Click to expand...


I rewatched a but yesterday. What stood out to me the most was nurse chapels shock when Spock said tpring was his wife also her brief scene with Spock. Its really hard to believe they served together with Pike.
 
Noname Given said:
You know I just watched TOS S2 Amok Time again last night, and one things that stood out:

Yes Spock was experiencing Pon Farr; but I think it's implied that there was a bit more to it this time because he was also experiencing Koon-ut-kal-if-fee.

Mr.Spock:...One touches the other in order to feel each other's thoughts. In this way our minds were locked together, so that at the proper time, we would both be drawn to Koon-ut-kal-if-fee.
^^^
So for whatever reason that might be an aspect of Pon Farr that Spock was talking about that he wanted to avoid/he "...hoped he would be spared this..."

And it makes sense because if you were a Vulcan but had never gone through a Vulcan 'bonding ceremony' like Spock had at age 7, yes you would experience the Pon Farr urge every 7 years; but you would never experience Pon Farr combined with the urge of: Koon-ut-kal-if-fee; which most likely adds a whole other layer of Madness on top of a normal Pon Farr urge.

So yeah it wad the Koon-ut-kal-if-fee aspect that caused Spock all the problems we saw in the TOS episode Amok Time, and that would only occur in a Vulcan's life if said Vulcan were so bonded at an early age - and once that situation had occurred, subsequent episodes of Pon Farr wouldn't be so intense or biologically life-threatening to a Vulcan.
Click to expand...

Vorrik bonded with B'Elanna, without asking if she felt like being bonded to him.

B'Elanna Bonded with Tom without asking if he felt like being bonded to him.

So unless Klingons have been telepathic all along, Vulcans can make non telepathic species telepathic, if just briefly, but Bonding with who ever seems an option, and also being bonded into larger groups than pairs seems to work too.
 
Pubert said:
I rewatched a but yesterday. What stood out to me the most was nurse chapels shock when Spock said tpring was his wife also her brief scene with Spock. Its really hard to believe they served together with Pike.
Click to expand...
good point. But easy to retcon if Spock and t’pring parted on bad terms: this way the shock shifts from “you have a wife” to “you married HER”.
 
Pubert said:
I rewatched a but yesterday. What stood out to me the most was nurse chapels shock when Spock said tpring was his wife also her brief scene with Spock. Its really hard to believe they served together with Pike.
Click to expand...
Wouldn't be the first time a girlfriend found out the guy they were seeing is married. ;)
 
IMC Headquarters said:
You know, they really should program some DOT's to act as intruder neutralizers.

Oh. And anyone not authorized to sit in the Captain's chair will automatically cause it to descend into a holding pit below the bridge. Like what SPECTRE does, only without the fireworks.
Click to expand...
Ya what happened to the DOTs ?
 
jackoverfull said:
good point. But easy to retcon if Spock and t’pring parted on bad terms: this way the shock shifts from “you have a wife” to “you married HER”.
Click to expand...
I think there has to be some kind of "break up" or something for Leila Kalomi to realistically be a dating option next season or so.

I still advocate T'Pring ghosting Spock with him clueless about Stonn, and Spock thus refusing to date Leila believing that T'Pring is still out there waiting for him, while Leila tries to convince him that if T'Pring hasn't answered his messages for over a year, it means she's out of the picture.
 
Yeah, even in TOS Leila Kalomi was invented before T'Pring was ever a character. So while TOS didn't adhere to in-universe continuity the way modern series do the creators had to remember Spock had a human romantic interest on Earth while he was betrothed to a Vulcan woman, so something dysfunctional and very deeply was going on in Spock's romantic life where he felt free to play the field with a wife-to-be back on Vulcan.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top