Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x06 - "Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach"

[cooleddie74]

Kirk shut down the entire culture of Vaal and the deity computer system only demanded symbolic offerings of fruits and other foodstuffs. Vaal was keeping the humanoid natives from loving, forming families and reproducing and Kirk was like: "Screw this evil machine. Time to lay down General Order Jim Kirk."

And he had a point.

 

[Mudd]

Yes, the colony of Majalan dissidents on Prospect VII is proof that not every Majalan accepts the supposed necessity of the sacrifice of those chosen as First Servants. Also, Alora mentions having done research into finding alternatives. Is that research ongoing?

Well, it made her feel.good about herself, anyway.

Screw General Order One.

 

[jackoverfull]

Except for one child every ten years or so who suffers unimaginably then dies.

yep.

The issue is price, "How many children must suffer and die before it becomes wrong?

indeed.

 

[jackoverfull]

Kirk shut down the entire culture of Vaal and the deity computer system only demanded symbolic offerings of fruits and other foodstuffs. Vaal was keeping the humanoid natives from loving, forming families and reproducing and Kirk was like: "Screw this evil machine. Time to lay down General Order Jim Kirk."

And he had a point.

he totally had. Here the situation is quite different: this culture has self-determination and growth, it hasn’t been stalling under a machine for who knows how long.

 

[UssGlenn]

Are there any inhabitable planets within range, other than Prospect VII?

And if so, do the natives of Majalis have the resources to evacuate there?

If the answers to either of these questions are in doubt, then the question "Why don't they just MOVE" loses much of its relevance.

If the entire population was going to move to Prospect VII, they would have the full resources of the planet, so life there would get considerably less shitty very quickly. Did they ever state or imply that the computer the first servant was plugged into was required for their healing medical tech to work? If so, the decision to move becomes much more difficult, lots more people of all ages will die as a direct result. If not, they are just unwilling to endure temporary hardship.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

Something about SNW reminds me of Stargate SG1 at times; I don’t know whether it’s the tone, the format or the way the characters interact, but nowhere was that more so than here. So many SG1 episodes were about discovering a new culture and getting to the root of a dark, pernicious secret lurking beneath the surface.

Yeah the episode has some parallels with the Stargate SG1 episode "Learning Curve," although the overall stakes weren't quite as high in that episode, and the outcome was more hopeful in the end resolution than what we had in this SNW episode.

 

[jackoverfull]

If the entire population was going to move to Prospect VII, they would have the full resources of the planet, so life there would get considerably less shitty very quickly.

we don’t know that. We don’t know how the conditions there actually are or even if the colony would support more population.

 

[Mudd]

If the entire population was going to move to Prospect VII, they would have the full resources of the planet, so life there would get considerably less shitty very quickly. Did they ever state or imply that the computer the first servant was plugged into was required for their healing medical tech to work?

Not really.

they are just unwilling to endure temporary hardship.

What people like them call "hardship" is more properly referred to as "discomfort and inconvenience."

 

[dupersuper]

Keep in mind that leaving the planet would mean people would suffer and die, something that is *not* happening in their current society.

Why would people die leaving the planet? Also, children are currently suffering and dying...

Sure they can move. But not keeping the high standards they currently have,

Woop-de-fucking-do.

the standards that have but eliminated suffering and death.

Citation needed.

 

[jackoverfull]

Why would people die leaving the planet?

because they would no longer have the conditions to support their current standards.

Also, children are currently suffering and dying...

a few out of many who won’t.

Citation needed.

it’s in the episode. Multiple times and coming from two different characters, one of witch stands against their system.

 

[dupersuper]

a few out of many who won’t.

If I ever make a society, remind me to never let you any where near the planning meetings.

 

[fireproof78]

I would strongly advise not allowing any Trek fan plan a society.

 

[jackoverfull]

If I ever make a society, remind me to never let you any where near the planning meetings.

as I wrote, multiple times, I don’t support this. But you seem to ignore what is said multiple times if it doesn’t fit what you believe already, apparently.

 

[dupersuper]

as I wrote, multiple times, I don’t support this. But you seem to ignore what is said multiple times if it doesn’t fit what you believe already, apparently.

You say you don't multiple times and then...play devil's advocate for fun?

 

[jackoverfull]

It’s a dirty job, but someone has to do it!

 

[dupersuper]

It’s a dirty job, but someone has to do it!

...Do they, though?

 

[fireproof78]

...Do they, though?

Yes.

 

[Sci]

Kirk shut down the entire culture of Vaal and the deity computer system only demanded symbolic offerings of fruits and other foodstuffs. Vaal was keeping the humanoid natives from loving, forming families and reproducing and Kirk was like: "Screw this evil machine. Time to lay down General Order Jim Kirk."

Who the hell was he to make that decision for them? He had a right to defend himself and his crew. But once he and his crew were capable of extracting themselves from the situation, he should have left the planet and left the Vaalians to their own devices.

 

[jackoverfull]

Who the hell was he to make that decision for them? He had a right to defend himself and his crew. But once he and his crew were capable of extracting themselves from the situation, he should have left the planet and left the Vaalians to their own devices.

exactly. As bad as it looked, this was clearly an internal matter with no Starfeet involvement.

 

[fireproof78]

Yup. Kirk sure was consistent in TOS wasn't he...

From the Omega Glory:
. A growing belief that Captain Tracey has been interfering with the evolution of life on this planet. It seems impossible. A star captain's most solemn oath is that he will give his life, even his entire crew, rather than violate the Prime Directive.