Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x06 - "Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach"
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Yep. George was trying to go with the view that the Jedi were flawed but ultimately good people who were stuck with a decaying democracy. A lot of fans went to vilify the Jedi and missed that George was saying the Empire and fascism were much-much worse.
But I will say I give props to this episode that Pike fails to make any meaningful difference.
I honestly felt cheated by DISCO 4 that it was all a big misunderstanding. No, THIS is what I wanted from the episode that Pike empassionately points out the problems and they go, "I don't care."
I guess we'll have to take this to a SW forum because I feel the Jedi are bad and the Empire being worse doesn't change that. You and I argued about this over at theforce net I believe but that's irrelevant to now I guess.
Back to Trek, that the Borg or the crystalline entity are worse than Alora's people doesn't suddenly make them good.
I was just referring to the look of the city itself.
Name one episode of modern TV which hasn't copied/borrowed an idea from something already written or produced since people started writing things down and creating stories ...
I'll wait.
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They do. The ships are a modern update just like the props.
Among other things, I like the throwback feel of the title. TOS flavored for sure!
Not as disappointing as last week.
Decent enough episode, just…nothing great. Having said that, I’m already so invested and interested in these characters. I haven’t felt that way since…Voyager?
Disco is too chaotic and one-sided for me to care about the characters. Picard tried, but it’s built mostly on nostalgia and little else. Enterprise didn’t get good until it was nearly over.
This isn’t my favorite era in the franchise. Probably my least favorite, to be honest. But I’m loving the characters and their stories.
Decent enough episode, just…nothing great. Having said that, I’m already so invested and interested in these characters. I haven’t felt that way since…Voyager?
Disco is too chaotic and one-sided for me to care about the characters. Picard tried, but it’s built mostly on nostalgia and little else. Enterprise didn’t get good until it was nearly over.
This isn’t my favorite era in the franchise. Probably my least favorite, to be honest. But I’m loving the characters and their stories.
Just so we are all clear, Horak only appears in the titles of episodes he appears in. He isn't in the titles this week. When he does appear he's out of alphabetical order at the end (because he is reoccurring). Then Romijn is at the very end with "and" credit. Discovery has cast appear and disappear from the credits all the time. If you are saying that you think he originally was to be credited only in the end titles, like Kyle would be, I see no evidence for that. He's just the only "in between" actor on SNW, whereas on Discovery it was most of the bridge crew.
I remember that twilight zone ep. The kid worried about failing the test the entire ep. He thought he needed to show his intelligence but it was completely the opposite. He proved to be too intelligent and was put to death. Good ep.
I liked it.
It wasn't exactly great, but still pretty good overall. It felt like a real "classical" Trek episode in all the best ways - romance, adventure, a dark secret of a "perfect" society, and a pretty hefty ethical conflict that sadly is only explored on a surface level. I think I'll probably forget most of this episode, but I'm very glad that I watched it.
Tbh I disagree with this assessment. Most stories are loosely based on ideas that were had before. This isn't exactly a "rip-off". This is just a play on the same basic idea.
Like the "Trolley problem", or "the prisoner dilemma", this is just another idea - religious virgin sacrifice to appease the gods - interpreted for SF. It's as much "stolen" from that story, as that story "stole" the ideas from stories about the Aztecs or Inca.
The problem is more that it didn't really do anything with the conflict apart from the bare minimum. "The Dark Knight" had a great "prisoner dilemma" as it's climax - because it put it's own spin on it, as well as it's very own twist and conclusion.
This episode was more interested in action & romance. When it "introduced" the central conflict - the episode was over already. We didn't get to know all the different arguments (only the obvious ones from "the leader" and "the father") ,What motivated the exilants to start a conflict? Wouldn't war actually hurt more people than just one kid? Destroying your home-town is much more drastic than just turning away from paradise). And it didn't introduce a unique "conclusion" or twist to the dilemma - Pike is just very disgusted & leaves.
I really wanted to know how Spock saw this whole thing. Needs of the many and all that. But it's not "life for life", it's "life for incredible convenience for millions". I would like to know a logical statement to this.
In conclusion - I really liked it. But it didn't dig deep enough for me to actually love it. It's a 7/10 for me (which would adjust to a 8 or 9 in the more liberal voting scale of trekbbs).
It wasn't exactly great, but still pretty good overall. It felt like a real "classical" Trek episode in all the best ways - romance, adventure, a dark secret of a "perfect" society, and a pretty hefty ethical conflict that sadly is only explored on a surface level. I think I'll probably forget most of this episode, but I'm very glad that I watched it.
Tbh I disagree with this assessment. Most stories are loosely based on ideas that were had before. This isn't exactly a "rip-off". This is just a play on the same basic idea.
Like the "Trolley problem", or "the prisoner dilemma", this is just another idea - religious virgin sacrifice to appease the gods - interpreted for SF. It's as much "stolen" from that story, as that story "stole" the ideas from stories about the Aztecs or Inca.
The problem is more that it didn't really do anything with the conflict apart from the bare minimum. "The Dark Knight" had a great "prisoner dilemma" as it's climax - because it put it's own spin on it, as well as it's very own twist and conclusion.
This episode was more interested in action & romance. When it "introduced" the central conflict - the episode was over already. We didn't get to know all the different arguments (only the obvious ones from "the leader" and "the father") ,What motivated the exilants to start a conflict? Wouldn't war actually hurt more people than just one kid? Destroying your home-town is much more drastic than just turning away from paradise). And it didn't introduce a unique "conclusion" or twist to the dilemma - Pike is just very disgusted & leaves.
I really wanted to know how Spock saw this whole thing. Needs of the many and all that. But it's not "life for life", it's "life for incredible convenience for millions". I would like to know a logical statement to this.
In conclusion - I really liked it. But it didn't dig deep enough for me to actually love it. It's a 7/10 for me (which would adjust to a 8 or 9 in the more liberal voting scale of trekbbs).
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Yeah I meant episodes.
More like 6400.
They did.
More likely neural network components.
Why? That conclusion is the very essence of Star Trek.
Exactly. Doesn't the Bible tell us "there is nothing new under the sun"?
This week's seems to be marmite, but I thought it was great. https://warpfactortrek.com/strange-new-worlds-lift-us-where-suffering-cannot-reach-in-review/
Jesus. Like Ellison's 'I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream'...
This episode also reminds me of Jackson's 'The Lottery'.
I'd say more "or something" than "after they reached 18". Yoda said Luke was too old in ESB. But I definitely didn't think they started as young as they did. When Mace said little Anakin was too old, I was like
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This is the first SNW episode that's fallen flat for me. Babylon 5 and particularly Torchwood dealt with somewhat similar themes rather better than this. Plus the supposed plot twists are obvious a mile off.