Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x05 - "Spock Amok"

[Noname Given]

The Federation lets member worlds have their own unique cultural laws unless they violate the basic citizen's rights of being a citizen of the wider Federation. If Vulcan has weird, off-putting marriage laws they get to keep them so long as Vulcans' rights as Federation citizens aren't violated and their basic individual freedoms are respected.

Honestly that wasn't true in the TOS era. There are mentions of planets in the Federation who still practice slavery; and you even see an example of a culture who keeps an entire class of people as effective mining slaves in TOS S3 "The Cloud Minders".
^^^
Yes, by the end of that episode Kirk & Co have begun to change the status quo in the city of Stratos, the Federation allowed the world to join, and didn't require any change to its government to be a member. And it's pretty clear that the planet has been a federation world for some time, and not a word was said about the fact that the morning caste we're in effect slaves to the intellectuals who lived in Stratos.

So yes maybe things changed by the 24th century, but in the 23rd century; the Federation basically let its member planets run their governments how they liked; and didn't really comment on any aspects of their cultures.

 

[Jedi Marso]

There is also the possibility that a large, interstellar bureaucracy like the UFP doesn't always vet potential new members as closely as it could/should. It's possible that cultural no-no's otherwise barring a planet from membership just slip under the radar, or inspectors are bribed, or the Federation turns a blind eye due to the need for some rare resource or a strategic location, etc. One thing we learn over the course of Trek history is that the UFP is not without warts of its own.

 

[wayoung]

The Cloud Minders planet had natural resources the Federation wanted. The Federations high minded ideals always get tossed out the window pretty damn quickly whenever that happens. In every era.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even Gene's ideal future understood that ideals are often surface in nature and are beholden to practical politics. The Federation of TOS was doing far better than Earth of the 1960s but was still subject to many of the same hypocrisies.

 

[jackoverfull]

I think we're getting short-changed on the number of episodes - definitely a good sign. I'm genuinely looking to what's next. By this point with "those other ones", I'd be losing interest as they hit the mid-season molasses

Agreed!

Sorry Seth, but the best Trek is back home.

yes, the first episode of Orville season 3 was ok but just ok. But let’s see what happens next, last season’s first episode was even weaker for me. At least they addressed things that needed addressing.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

There may have been a geopolitical reason for Ardana becoming a Federation member. This planet's system was near to the space claimed by the Klingon Empire and, on a few star charts, was shown to be affiliated with the empire.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ And it is entirely possible that the Federation never knew about the existence of the Troglytes until Kirk and crew came along. That sounds like just the thing the Ardanan government would cover up.

So the Federation can hardly be blamed for that.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

How many of you think Vulcan played a large part in Earth's reconstruction following WWIII? Starbase One must have been built with their help because I can't see post-apocalypse Earth having the resources to assemble that haven on its own. So did that give Vulcan a custodial role over humanity which extended into Archer's time and beyond? Hence Jonathan's public resentment of them all.

If this is the case, the Earth component of the Federation may feel a certain historical obligation to let Vulcans be Vulcans. Rituals of mating combat and all.

This is all just pure conjecture on an imagined future we personally will have no direct experience of, but I enjoy the world building we are undertaking here as loving viewers.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Oh yes, I'm firmly of the mind that the Vulcans helped Earth clean up and rebuild after the war. Otherwise there's no way Earth could have recovered so quickly.

Hell, as of SNW, World War III happened only a century ago, and nevertheless Earth is fully rebuilt, with all major cities once again intact? No fucking WAY they could have done that without help.

 

[DEWLine]

Totally true, as evidenced in stupidlaws.com, an amazing site that amalgamates idiotic laws that are unbelievably still on the books worldwide.

The Federation's version of that database has got to be capable of filling several hundred square blocks of real estate with paper.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Oh yes, I'm firmly of the mind that the Vulcans helped Earth clean up and rebuild after the war. Otherwise there's no way Earth could have recovered so quickly.

Hell, as of SNW, World War III happened only a century ago, and nevertheless Earth is fully rebuilt, with all major cities once again intact? No fucking WAY they could have done that without help.

I think that was the assumption of everyone.

But NOT Rick Berman because otherwise, Captain Archer's hatred of Vulcans makes no sense.

If the Vulcans DID repair Earth, all Archer's statements become, "What have the Romans ever done for us?"

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

But NOT Rick Berman because otherwise, Captain Archer's hatred of Vulcans makes no sense.

Archer hated Vulcans for holding back Earth's development. Perhaps the reason Vulcan did so was precisely because of the war? The Vulcans may have considered it payment for services rendered...

 

[DEWLine]

The United Earth Starfleet didn't start scouting locations for what became Starbase 1 until NX-01 was out there doing their early search-and-discover work.

 

[jackoverfull]

I just watched an interview where Seth says he likes Picard. So even the guy making a more 'Trek' show enjoys at least Picard.

nothing wrong with liking both new trek and the Orville. The more the merrier!

 

[wayoung]

^ And it is entirely possible that the Federation never knew about the existence of the Troglytes until Kirk and crew came along. That sounds like just the thing the Ardanan government would cover up.

So the Federation can hardly be blamed for that.

At least, that's the position of the Federation ambassadors whose sole reason for wanting them in the Federation was the minerals, and then turned a blind eye so they didn't see how they got them.

 

[cooleddie74]

Archer hated Vulcans for holding back Earth's development. Perhaps the reason Vulcan did so was precisely because of the war? The Vulcans may have considered it payment for services rendered...

V'Lar in "Fallen Hero(ENT)" basically told Archer that Vulcans had just witnessed humans emerge from a global war. They didn't think they were ready nor even worthy for deep space exploration.

 

[Jedi Marso]

How many of you think Vulcan played a large part in Earth's reconstruction following WWIII? Starbase One must have been built with their help because I can't see post-apocalypse Earth having the resources to assemble that haven on its own.

I also like to think that, depending on which version you subscribe to, Earth had either made first contact with or established colonies on Alpha Centauri prior to holocaust and post-atomic horror, which I believe happened after the Eugenics Wars, in the 21st Century. There would also be colonies on Mars and Luna by that time, all able to help Earth recover from the war and unify.

Given the demonstrated Vulcan preference for not getting involved, and/or doing nothing, I don't necessarily think Vulcan would have been much help to Earth. I also like the idea that human beings could recover on their own, without help from Vulcan. That's just me, though.

As for Starbase 1, I believe that would have been built after the creation of the Federation, well after Earth had recovered from the apocalypse.

 

[cooleddie74]

New Berlin on the Moon was already in existence by the time the Conestoga was launched towards Terra Nova in 2069 so yeah, there were human colonies on other planets and satellites by the time of World War III. The colonies may even have played a limited role in the recovery efforts on Earth.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

No point engaging. Dudes some misogynistic nutbar, been posting shit all over the sub forum about how Chapel, like all women, need to be hurt and punished so that they can turn into real women with real feelings etc etc

Sigh. I know this and yet...
But thank you. I will ignore from now on.

 

[Donald G]

Oh yes, I'm firmly of the mind that the Vulcans helped Earth clean up and rebuild after the war. Otherwise there's no way Earth could have recovered so quickly.

Hell, as of SNW, World War III happened only a century ago, and nevertheless Earth is fully rebuilt, with all major cities once again intact? No fucking WAY they could have done that without help.

World War III happened sometime before 2063.
ENTERPRISE occurred between 2151-2155, a century after WWIII.
SNW begins ca. 2259. It has been 200 years or so since World War Three.