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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x05 - "Spock Amok"

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Hm. I had forgotten that line. Certainly that does complicate things. It also calls into question why T'Pol was able to just divorce Koss. Perhaps archaic Vulcan law requires the woman to become property of the victor of the kal-if-fee but not property otherwise, and Vulcan hasn't modernized its laws around the kal-if-fee ritual because of public reluctance to engage in anything related to pon farr?
didn’t they mention at one point that no one calls the kal-if-fee anymore anyway? No logical reason to change a law on something that doesn’t really happen anymore…
 
Seven, I think. 2259 (SNW: Strange New Worlds) to 2266 (TOS: The Man Trap). But yeah, I totally agree. In the last seven years I've changed pretty dramatically. I think it's more than believable that some of the events we will hopefully get to see in SNW will impact her personality and demeanour. The last 7 years certainly have changed me.

Hell, I'd say with the pandemic everyone has changed a lot in the last 2 years. I can think of several places where I've changed. So plenty of chances for Chapel to change, mature, and for her personality to harden.
 
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One would tend to think that the joining of two Vulcan children is probably a momentous occasion, treated as a high ceremonial ritual, not some 'backwoods human shotgun marriage' thrown together at the last minute as many might imagine.

It also may be something biological in Vulcan nature, necessary for the proper development of a Vulcan child's Katra.

Personally, I doubt that the Federation would really condone the latter if that were the case.
 
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Very nice review here. He particularly mentions the Spock/Chapel dinner scene. Agreed; Genuine chemistry. Both of them let their mask slip for one moment of genuine friendship. Chapel is bold with meaningless hookups but catch the shy Di look of a girl in love near the end. Spock teases her which is something he seldom does to anyone but someone he trusts. Chapel understands that. This girl ain't bisexual. She is purely feminine and hides it. Two good actors here who clearly do not just show up and read the lines. They met and talked about this.
 
Is it the version originally aired? Are we talking syndication cuts? What is meant by "uncut"?
Would watching actually make the writer think, "On no! I can't do my Chapel/T'Pring scene!"
I already said they were cut for more commercial time but aired originally.
 
Just finished watching it. Haven't had a chance to skim the whole thread, sorry.

I'd say I'm sold after this episode. I've needed a bit of time to warm up, but this was good fun.

At first I was iffy on SNW's more contemporary styling of dialogue. But, having had a few episodes to adjust, I'm all for it.

I think we're getting short-changed on the number of episodes - definitely a good sign. I'm genuinely looking forward to what's next. By this point with the other ones, I'd be losing interest as they hit the mid-season molasses.

Sorry Seth, but the best Trek is back home.

It might be the COVID talking but stuff it - 9/10.
 
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I've yet to watch the new Orville. But what I've seen says it's good and some still say it beats even SNW. Which, I dunno. SNW still has the advantage of being in the universe I love.

But, it's been a long week. I've worked 85 hours and been going to bed around 7-8. Ugh.. I'm burnt.
 
Fantastic episode. We watched this and The Orville's new episode back-to-back and it's glaringly obvious how much better the production values and acting are in SNW. There's not really an argument that The Orville is "what Trek should be" when SNW is exactly what I think fans have been asking for for five years.
 
Fantastic episode. We watched this and The Orville's new episode back-to-back and it's glaringly obvious how much better the production values and acting are in SNW. There's not really an argument that The Orville is "what Trek should be" when SNW is exactly what I think fans have been asking for for five years.
What several factions of fans have been asking for, yes.

Others are satisfied by DSC, PIC, LDS, and PRO as well as by SNW.
 
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Very nice review here. He particularly mentions the Spock/Chapel dinner scene. Agreed; Genuine chemistry. Both of them let their mask slip for one moment of genuine friendship. Chapel is bold with meaningless hookups but catch the shy Di look of a girl in love near the end. Spock teases her which is something he seldom does to anyone but someone he trusts. Chapel understands that. This girl ain't bisexual. She is purely feminine and hides it. Two good actors here who clearly do not just show up and read the lines. They met and talked about this.
You're speculating and making assumptions based on what you want or believe should be then asserting these assumptions as facts that are indisputable. Which, I know is very common in fandoms. A source of discord and flame wars. But, just for clarity - bisexuality and femininity are not mutually exclusive.
 
My first 10/10. Loved the dream sequence, the body swaps, Bingo game and Nurse Chapel. I didn’t understand why a professional Ambassador wasn’t used since they were at Starbase 1, but it did give rise to a lovely Enterpise backdrop in the conference room.
 
You're speculating and making assumptions based on what you want or believe should be then asserting these assumptions as facts that are indisputable. Which, I know is very common in fandoms. A source of discord and flame wars. But, just for clarity - bisexuality and femininity are not mutually exclusive.

No point engaging. Dudes some misogynistic nutbar, been posting shit all over the sub forum about how Chapel, like all women, need to be hurt and punished so that they can turn into real women with real feelings etc etc
 
My first 10/10. Loved the dream sequence, the body swaps, Bingo game and Nurse Chapel. I didn’t understand why a professional Ambassador wasn’t used since they were at Starbase 1, but it did give rise to a lovely Enterpise backdrop in the conference room.

The obvious reason is that it gives Pike a plotline for the episode. But taken objectively, there was no reason this episode had to take place at Starbase 1. It would have made more sense for the damaged Enterprise to have been repaired at an outlying starbase closer to where she was damaged than return all the way to Earth, and it would thereby have made more sense for a) Pike to conduct the negotiation, and b) the aliens to travel to a more 'neutral' negotiating table a lot closer to their own home space. All it needed was a planet where M'Benga could fly-fish, or even a starbase big enough to have one of those built-in parks / arboretums with a stocked pond where M'Benga could fly-fish. Everything else that happened in the episode could have happened on any starbase, no problem.
 
The obvious reason is that it gives Pike a plotline for the episode. But taken objectively, there was no reason this episode had to take place at Starbase 1. It would have made more sense for the damaged Enterprise to have been repaired at an outlying starbase closer to where she was damaged than return all the way to Earth
Considering that it looks rather fine at the beginning of the episode, I'll go ahead and speculate that it got first repairs at an outlying station and then headed to SB1 for more specialised repairs.
 
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