Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x04 - "Memento Mori"

[Belz...]

I don't know from science. If they can have sound in space without air, move ships at the speed of plot and communicate vast differences until they can't...well, as long as it's not a boring story and they don't have people doing spacewalks without some kind of EVA wear, I'm good.

I've recently decided that in Star Wars, space is actually filled with some sort of medium -- let's call it Ether -- which would explain the sounds, the maneuvers of ships and fighters, the fiery explosions, and why in The Last Jedi ships don't have infinite momentum.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Fiery explosions can be explained by the atmosphere inside the ship and there doesn't have to be anything special to explain why a ship without fuel is overtaken by a ship with its engines firing. One's at a constant speed, the other's getting faster. At least, that's how I figured it worked. I've only got a basic knowledge of physics so I'm easily convinced as long as it seems plausible.

 

[cooleddie74]

And that's the great thing about Trek. Even the goofy stuff seems just about plausible. So I figure why the Hell can't it happen and just roll with it.

 

[jackoverfull]

I've recently decided that in Star Wars, space is actually filled with some sort of medium -- let's call it Ether -- which would explain the sounds, the maneuvers of ships and fighters, the fiery explosions, and why in The Last Jedi ships don't have infinite momentum.

could be the force!

 

[Belz...]

could be the force!

Free-floating midi-chlorians.

Fiery explosions can be explained by the atmosphere inside the ship and there doesn't have to be anything special to explain why a ship without fuel is overtaken by a ship with its engines firing. One's at a constant speed, the other's getting faster. At least, that's how I figured it worked. I've only got a basic knowledge of physics so I'm easily convinced as long as it seems plausible.

Yeah but in that movie, once the Resistance ships run out of fuel they start to drift.

 

[fireproof78]

And that's the great thing about Trek. Even the goofy stuff seems just about plausible. So I figure why the Hell can't it happen and just roll with it.

Exactly. Are we supposed to be watching the mundane run of the mill operations. "Captain's Log, supplemental. Nothing of note happened. Chief Ramirez cut his finger on a readout. Recommend going to all screen based communications rather than paper readouts."

 

[UssGlenn]

Dr. Richard Daystrom was a clearly unstable man who created an AI system that killed hundreds of Starfleet officers on five different starships and they went on to name the Federation's most important technology research institute after him. So...yeah.

That's an easy retcon. If it was founded by his father then his whole "Boy genius needs to prove himself" issue makes even more sense.

 

[UssGlenn]

Yeah but in that movie, once the Resistance ships run out of fuel they start to drift.

No, we can figure this out....all the engines don't cut off at the same time, resulting in a last second trajectory change. Yeah, that's the ticket.

 

[Belz...]

No, we can figure this out....all the engines don't cut off at the same time, resulting in a last second trajectory change. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Backwards?

But it doesn't matter. The SW universe is built on this kind of physics.

 

[eschaton]

And that's the great thing about Trek. Even the goofy stuff seems just about plausible. So I figure why the Hell can't it happen and just roll with it.

I feel like the planetary visuals in modern-day Trek have been much worse than the Berman era in some ways. Lots more planets with atmospheres going thousands of miles into space, weird floating rocks, partially-explody planets which somehow don't re-accrete due to gravity, Star-Wars style asteroid belts which are full of rocks constantly crashing together, etc. It's like they only use the science advisor to check the scripts, and not advise the VFX team at all.

 

[fireproof78]

It's like they only use the science advisor to check the scripts, and not advise the VFX team at all.

That's usually how advisors work. Advisors rarely get some sort of veto power. If the team decides they like something better for look or feel then that's what will go in the show. Drama first, science later.

And, it's not like Star Trek didn't have Star Wars style asteroid belts or other such phenomenon. Pretty sure Pegasus was in such a belt.

I know, I know, past Trek doesn't justify current failings.

 

[wayoung]

Advisors are for show so the producers can say "Hey look we have Professor John Doe advising our team on the science!" and then ignore everything he says. Meanwhile Prof. John Doe gets an easy paycheque and invited to all the cool Hollywood parties. It's win win.

 

[Sci]

Uhura dialogue was cringy, took me out of what was a nice pivotal crucial scene, please please please don’t turn her into the resident annoying Gen Y character. Like the actor, really liked her in children of the comet. This episode thought she was going to make a tic tok video

"Generation Y" is a term usually used for the generation that succeeded Generation X before their more common generational name, Millennials, came into common usage. Millennials are, broadly speaking, people born from circa 1980 to circa 2000. Celia Rose Gooding was born on 22 February 2000 -- she is very firmly in the generation that succeeded Millennials, usually referred to as either Generation Z or as Zoomers. TikTok is far more commonly associated with Zoomers than with Millennials, the oldest of whom are in their 40s and were far too old for TikTok when it hit.

So, if you're gonna make an ageist comment about people in their early 20s, at least stop calling them by the name of the generation that's at or approaching middle age.

 

[Jedman67]

I think it's cool that black holes are represented Interstellar style now instead of "black spiral thingie" as seen on Stargate.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Backwards?

But it doesn't matter. The SW universe is built on this kind of physics.

If the camera's accelerating at the same speed as the ships, then an object that stops accelerating will appear to stop.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I believe the term is "dramatic convenience."

Writers are like the Metrons. They give characters all the tools they need.

 

[Belz...]

If the camera's accelerating at the same speed as the ships, then an object that stops accelerating will appear to stop.

There's no need to make excuses for the movie. It's clear what they were going for.
Plus, cameras aren't affected by the Ether!

 

[Noname Given]

My issue wasn't that the brown dwarf was being swallowed by a black hole. Happens fairly regularily. My issue is that the process was JUST about to end when the Enterprise got there. We're probably talking about thousands, if not millions, of years, here. What are the odds?

On a Star Trek series it's 100% that whatever astronomical phenomenon they need for a story will occur right on cue.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Yeah but in that movie, once the Resistance ships run out of fuel they start to drift.

That’s one of the things I always kinda got a little cranky about when it came to space travel. I totally get not having energy to sustain a warp field or other such bullshit, but when TV shows and movies using light speed as just, well, going really fast (such as the original series), then lack of fuel wouldn’t slam you to a halt. Just use enough to get you up to speed and then let momentum push you until you need to alter course or adjust for gravitational pulls and whatnot. Stretch those fuel dollars, that stuff's expensive. In “The Menagerie” when the shuttle runs out of fuel and Mendez wiggles in his chair saying “mmm we coast” I like “really? You’re not maintaining speed? And why are you being sultry?” This was in the days before “Warp fields.”

 

[ToddCam]

Remember when the Doctor was projected into a Kazon battle and he audibly shouted something? I guess a version of Ether exists in the Trek universe too.