Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x04 - "Memento Mori"

[IMC Headquarters]

Not what I was talking about, like AT ALL, but okay.

Ah, but no one can take away our own estimation of Star Trek's entertainment and cultural value. No one.

Me, I adore the "Arena" Gorn. Sure he looks and acts ridiculous. But, damn those performances were sincere.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Confession Time: I was never a fan of the Gorn in "Arena". I thought he looked, acted, and sounded ridiculous. The scene when Kirk is fighting the Gorn is what's shown whenever someone in a movie is watching Star Trek. The first time I saw this instance was in Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey, then I saw it happen a few years later in Coneheads, and I've seen it in a few other spots that aren't coming to mind. But Kirk fighting the Gorn comes across to me as what someone who has no idea about Star Trek is about thinks it is.

The story of the episode itself is fine, but the Gorn did it no favors. So I'm hoping "Memento Mori" was makes them seem less silly rather than celebrating how silly they were.

What did you think about the Gorn from In A Mirror Darkly part II? To me, that one was kewler, but as blatantly CGI as the Defiant. Not terrible, but not great either.

Of course the Gorn we saw on LD were more comedic as they should be on that show.

 

[Lord Garth]

What did you think about the Gorn in IN A Mirror Darkly part II? To me, that one was kewler, but as blatantly CGI as the Defiant. Not terrible, but not great either.

The Gorn from ENT was okay for the "blink and you'll miss it" scene it was in. I didn't think it was goofy, but it also didn't make me think, "I want to see more Gorn!"

 

[fireproof78]

Haven't seen the episode in awhile, but wasn't that a question asked during the hearing?

MENDEZ: You ever met Chris Pike?
KIRK: When he was promoted to Fleet Captain.
MENDEZ: About your age. Big, handsome man, vital, active.
KIRK: I took over the Enterprise from him. Spock served with him for several years.
SPOCK: Eleven years, four months, five days.

Me too. I understand having Spock there and MAYBE Uhura, but the Chapel I'm seeing now is nothing like the Chapel I saw on TOS. The producers could have given that character a different name.

Genuine question: How much did we know about Chapel from TOS?

 

[IMC Headquarters]

That poor Gorn on the Defiant. I felt sorry for that one, too.

 

[shapeshifter]

A less silly Gorn. Is that even possible?

Extra credit to get that reference.

It wasn't a fair fight. Clearly the Metrons were on Kirk's side because the "Arena" had a bias toward Earth projectile weapons. And it had an Earth normal gravity pull. The Gorn Captain's muscles weren't adapted to this, judging by his clumsy movements.

*cue swirling math equations gif*

What did you think about the Gorn from In A Mirror Darkly part II?

The correct answer is... they are the same.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

A less silly Gorn. Is that even possible?
Extra credit to get that reference.
*cue swirling math equations gif*
The correct answer is... they are the same.

I don't remember Kirk's Gorn buddy having those reverse bending knees. But that could be one of those other sub-species

 

[NCC-73515]

I guess that's one of the Gorn we'll see

 

[Mudd]

MENDEZ: About your age. Big, handsome man, vital, active.

A nonsensical remark from an episode full of 'em. Pike would have been maybe fifteen years older than Kirk, at least.

 

[Cyrus]

I am also not a fan of TOS Gorn. He did look ridiculous. ENT Gorn wasn’t great either but still an improvement. If they show them on SNW , hopefully it will be much better than those.

The script for “Arena” episode turned out too similar to a short story by scifi writer Fredrick Brown. So they bought the story from him and gave him story credit for the episode. I haven’t read that short story but I suspect there are no Gorn in it.

 

[NCC-73515]

I like the TOS/LDS Gorn. Nice shape, interesting eyes, nice costume...

 

[IMC Headquarters]

I guess that's one of the Gorn we'll see

I wonder which Redshirt's chest/skull it burst out of?

 

[Lord Garth]

A less silly Gorn. Is that even possible?

That's what we're about to find out.

 

[Nerys Myk]

TOS contradicted TOS canon every other episode. They should never have produced anything after the pilot!

Sometimes with in the same episode!!!

 

[Nerys Myk]

MENDEZ: You ever met Chris Pike?
KIRK: When he was promoted to Fleet Captain.
MENDEZ: About your age. Big, handsome man, vital, active.
KIRK: I took over the Enterprise from him. Spock served with him for several years.
SPOCK: Eleven years, four months, five days.

Genuine question: How much did we know about Chapel from TOS?

I think they're referring to this exchange

MENDEZ: Present your evidence. Screen on.
SPOCK: This is thirteen years ago. The Enterprise and its commander, Captain Christopher Pike.
SPOCK [on screen]: Definitely something out there, Captain, headed this way.
KIRK: Screen off. Chris, was that really you on the screen? (flash) That's impossible. Mister Spock, no vessel makes record tapes in that detail, that perfect. What were we watching?
SPOCK: I cannot tell you at this time, sir.

 

[shapeshifter]

I don't remember Kirk's Gorn buddy having those reverse bending knees.

<fires spores> Do you remember them now?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

<fires spores> Do you remember them now?

Look at all the pretty colors........

 

[thribs]

I guess that's one of the Gorn we'll see

Don’t get it wet

 

[fireproof78]

I think they're referring to this exchange

Sounded more to me like Kirk questioning the accuracy of the image in terms of events in detail not what Pike looks like.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sounded more to me like Kirk questioning the accuracy of the image in terms of events in detail not what Pike looks like.

Exactly, as his dialog shows.