Well, technically, aren't Pine and Wesley part of the Kelvinverse? Shatner isn't. So they're not all the same guy.
Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x04 – “Vox in Excelso”
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Nope. Wesley is part of the Prime Universe.
Prime Spock recognized Kelvin Kirk right away though, so in-universe they are meant to look the same.
He also recognized Kelvin Scotty.
And as tenmei said, Wesley Kirk is Prime Universe.
Wesley and Shatner are the same guy.
Star Wars has this issue big time. Almost every planet looks like some place on Earth.
Or why Kirstie Alley magically transformed into Robin Curtis . . . .
This is how recasting has worked for as long as movies and TV have existed. The audience is expected to understand that it's the same character even if they're now played by a new actor. Same with updated makeup and set designs.
Thank God BATMAN didn't feel obliged to provide an "in-universe" explanation for why Julie Newmar turned into Eartha Kitt!
I see a book idea brewing...Thank God BATMAN didn't feel obliged to provide an "in-universe" explanation for why Julie Newmar turned into Eartha Kitt!
Easy answer for Julie Newmar turning into Eartha Kitt.Or why Kirstie Alley magically transformed into Robin Curtis . . . .
This is how recasting has worked for as long as movies and TV have existed. The audience is expected to understand that it's the same character even if they're now played by a new actor. Same with updated makeup and set designs.
Thank God BATMAN didn't feel obliged to provide an "in-universe" explanation for why Julie Newmar turned into Eartha Kitt!
Cats have 9 lives. She regenerated.
Like The Doctor.
Or why Kirstie Alley magically transformed into Robin Curtis . . . .
This is how recasting has worked for as long as movies and TV have existed. The audience is expected to understand that it's the same character even if they're now played by a new actor. Same with updated makeup and set designs.
Thank God BATMAN didn't feel obliged to provide an "in-universe" explanation for why Julie Newmar turned into Eartha Kitt!
And I believe they planned for Valeris to be Saavik, but Cattrall refused to be the third actress in five films to play the charactdr.
There's a book series that Terry Pratchett and Steven Baxter did called The Long Earth. It has its hits and misses but one of the interesting ideas was that in a universe of unlimited resources, humans ultimately began to re-adopt hunter gather culture for much of their needs, though they also did not let go of the technology they already had, though it may have hindered their advancement.
I've always had this idea that Klingon's stole much of their tech anyway, or won it by conquest since a civilization that doesn't honor and promote its technocrats can't ultimately stay competitive any other way. Maybe they traded for some of it. They did have traders. But suppose that since this family did still posess a star-ship, and much like Starfleet post-burn-pre-Disovery they would have been very sparing with what dilithium they had left: they would maintain their ships but practice whatever lifestyle they could manage and still stay within their Klingon homogeneity.
So camping rough becomes the de facto method of living. When your numbers are few and your needs are simple you don't have to stratify society into farmers, artisans, et cetera. Especially if you're entire culture seems to have taken on a sort of nihilism.
anyway, I liked the episode. I'd give it an 8.
I've read the whole Long Earth series. Read pretty much everything Steven Baxter wrote, actually. Was majorly into him when I was younger, though my genre tastes lean elsewhere these days.
I believe it's been established in canon that Klingons stole warp drive from the Hur'q, right? Anyway, I think the idea that the Klingons got tech from elsewhere is fine. It's just that in general the planet-side worldbuilding felt really lazy. The decisions seemed driven predominantly based upon what would be the cheapest to film - which was rough sleeping in tents in the middle of a completely unremarkable stand of Ontario trees.
It wasn't enough to really make me dislike the episode, which I think is the strongest to date for the series. But I do think with just a little bit of tweaking Jay-Den's family setup wouldn't have felt so transparently staged for television.
And even as a point of pride. Heck, even today, you can find people -- on both the left and the right -- who romanticize or valorize living off the land, living a "simpler," "purer," "more natural" lifestyle, etc.
And the idea that the "old ways" are inherently more honest than the effete decadence of "modern" times is deeply embeded in American culture, as well as many others.
So, yeah, I can accept that some rootless, displaced Klingons would decide that hunting in the wilderness, per their ancient lore and traditions, was the best way to preserve their honor . . . .
Don't know if "stole" Hur'q warp technology is technically accurate, but yeah, they got the tech from the Hur'q and used it themselves after the occupiers were forced from Qo'noS.
Purrfect!Easy answer for Julie Newmar turning into Eartha Kitt.
Cats have 9 lives. She regenerated.
Like The Doctor.
I always felt that from TNG onward, the Klingons were a kind of hybrid Japanese samurai and Viking culture.
The thing is that Star Trek seemed to have gone with the idea that the Klingons were a one culture caste with warriors consisting of their entire religion. Which would require either massive amounts of slaves and subject races to do everything else or the Klingon warriors we see just to be a much larger part of Klingon culture. Basically a caste system (though not a literal caste system but more like the Feudal Aristocracy vs. the peasant class) that was occasionally hinted to be the case.
Even then I always assumed Klingons DID have scientists and engineers and everything else. It was just not the most prestigious part of their society.
Does anyone remember the book where they had Captain Kirk mock the idea of Klingon scientists with something like, "It always conjured the image of a Klingon trying to split the atom with a bat'leth."?
The thing is that Star Trek seemed to have gone with the idea that the Klingons were a one culture caste with warriors consisting of their entire religion. Which would require either massive amounts of slaves and subject races to do everything else or the Klingon warriors we see just to be a much larger part of Klingon culture. Basically a caste system (though not a literal caste system but more like the Feudal Aristocracy vs. the peasant class) that was occasionally hinted to be the case.
Even then I always assumed Klingons DID have scientists and engineers and everything else. It was just not the most prestigious part of their society.
Does anyone remember the book where they had Captain Kirk mock the idea of Klingon scientists with something like, "It always conjured the image of a Klingon trying to split the atom with a bat'leth."?
Okay, thank you for setting me straight. You know, the Enterprise from The Cage doesn't really look different than the one from first season TOS. DIS purporting to be in between the two and the vast difference in literally everything screamed 'alternate timeline' at me and I didn't watch enough of it to learn that.
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At least we know that pre-TOS Klingons had their share of lawyers, artists and other people who didn't want to wield a blade and fight for a living.
I liked the implications of that episode that the Klingons were going through a reactionary period.
With DISCO, it implies this was right before the collapse of the Empire before T'Kuvma rebuilt it.
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