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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x04 – “Vox in Excelso”
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Honor?
One of the debate topics listed was the controversy generated by art and media in the 21st century. Considering the divisive debate about this show, this seems to be on the nose.
enjoyed this one quite a bit.
I like that we finally got some backstory on what happened to the Klingons and probably why we never saw them on Discovery. Getting Jay-Den’s backstory and some of Thok’s was good as well. Intrigued by the “Free Jem’Hadar”.
Is Wochak the first “Caucasian” Klingon since Bob the discount Klingon from “Fridays Child”. I think he is.
The pronunciations of Kronos, Kahless, etc… was distracting but I guess different dialects make sense.
I loved their solution to the problem.
8/10
I like that we finally got some backstory on what happened to the Klingons and probably why we never saw them on Discovery. Getting Jay-Den’s backstory and some of Thok’s was good as well. Intrigued by the “Free Jem’Hadar”.
Is Wochak the first “Caucasian” Klingon since Bob the discount Klingon from “Fridays Child”. I think he is.
The pronunciations of Kronos, Kahless, etc… was distracting but I guess different dialects make sense.
I loved their solution to the problem.
8/10
K'mpec was a "Caucasian" Klingon, as was Kahlest, Worf's old nursemaid. Pretty cure Klaa and Vixis from TFF were also "Caucasian" Klingons.
Pretty sure the pronunciations here were a lot closer to what I dimly remember from the old Okrand Klingon Dictionary than has usually been the case in previous productions.
9 - quite the turnaround from last week!
Everything about the episode just seemed a lot better. Perhaps it helped that I've always been a fan of the Klingons. Mostly anyway.
Everything about the episode just seemed a lot better. Perhaps it helped that I've always been a fan of the Klingons. Mostly anyway.
I assume you mean that actor because with the exception of Vixis they all clearly have brown skin.
Martok is a caucasian klingon.
Definitely weird. I noticed that, too.
We did possibly get our first bit of Tilly's influence in this episode. Thok talks about being a mentor for Jay-Den, it could well be the mentorship program that Tilly introduced assuming she didn't just mean a mentor just because she's his elder.
Rewatching the episode with my wife last night I found it actually dragged a little compared to my first viewing. I felt whenever characters started speechifying, it didn’t really land and just seemed like empty phrases. And I can’t figure out why they wrote the debate portions the way they did. I’ve been watching a lot of formal debates over the years, mostly between atheists and Christians, and they almost never just throw Bible verses at each other, like the cadets did here with case law, paragraphs and law texts. In my mind debates are much more interesting when people are making arguments for why a proposition is moral or more convincing. It’s not about who can memorize the most paragraphs. This had the effect of not really showing Caleb as the skilled debater he was supposed to be. And I also couldn’t really figure out how the Doctor decided who won each round. Just on a whim?
One small thing that I found interesting from a world building perspective that I haven’t seen anyone touch on yet is the cadet Caleb calls a conspiracy theorist. He says: “Everyone knows they lost Qo’noS because they blew it up themselves.” To which Caleb responds: “No one needs your embarrassing conspiracy theories. That Klingon incursion into Hectaron? The [makes air quotes] “enslavement”? Total fiction. Read a book, moron.” I have no idea what any of that means and the episode doesn’t really go into more detail, but I find it fascinating how even in the 32nd century there would still be stuff like that. Makes the universe feel that little more believable.
I think exploring the backstory of the relationship between Ake and Obel would be interesting. Sounds like they have quite the history going back a century. Maybe something for a future comic or a novel?
And on a more superficial level I found some of the design choices a little odd. Why was the Starfleet Academy recruitment thingy so damn bulky? Shouldn’t something like this have looked more appealing and less like an ancient hand grenade?
And the other thing are Jay-Den’s boots, which now that I noticed how almost comically large they are, and how the sole is split in two pieces halfway through, I just can’t unsee.
One small thing that I found interesting from a world building perspective that I haven’t seen anyone touch on yet is the cadet Caleb calls a conspiracy theorist. He says: “Everyone knows they lost Qo’noS because they blew it up themselves.” To which Caleb responds: “No one needs your embarrassing conspiracy theories. That Klingon incursion into Hectaron? The [makes air quotes] “enslavement”? Total fiction. Read a book, moron.” I have no idea what any of that means and the episode doesn’t really go into more detail, but I find it fascinating how even in the 32nd century there would still be stuff like that. Makes the universe feel that little more believable.
I think exploring the backstory of the relationship between Ake and Obel would be interesting. Sounds like they have quite the history going back a century. Maybe something for a future comic or a novel?
And on a more superficial level I found some of the design choices a little odd. Why was the Starfleet Academy recruitment thingy so damn bulky? Shouldn’t something like this have looked more appealing and less like an ancient hand grenade?
And the other thing are Jay-Den’s boots, which now that I noticed how almost comically large they are, and how the sole is split in two pieces halfway through, I just can’t unsee.
I wonder if that cadet is a descendant of Lt Levy
John Schuck was a Euro-Klingon more than once.
There was lots not to like this week, but mostly that how they "solve" the problem was telegraphed from the moment the Admiral mentioned the ideal world of Faas Alpha and announced that the Klingons wouldn't accept it as charity. No suspense or uncertainty at all, happy ending unlocked.
There was lots not to like this week, but mostly that how they "solve" the problem was telegraphed from the moment the Admiral mentioned the ideal world of Faas Alpha and announced that the Klingons wouldn't accept it as charity. No suspense or uncertainty at all, happy ending unlocked.
O'Brien passed as a Klingon in that one episode of DS9 despite still having light hair, so there must be some fair Klingons out there.
Of course, there have always been a ton of Klingons played by white people, sometimes with minimal bronzer. But it in the Berman era, they seem to have decided Klingons came in two primary flavors: vaguely middle-eastern, and black.
I think the problem is structural, because good debates take time, and these montages of little clips of the kids saying single lines don't even give enough time for the whole gotcha "pwned by facts and logic" popular on certain sections of the internet.
A good episode could have been constructed around the debates themselves of course - kinda like a kiddie version of Measure of a Man. But this episode would need to cut elsewhere (likely the flashback scenes) to allow for the needed runtime.
I'm interested in the in-universe explanation for why Klingons have acquired dreads in SNW and now SFA. Stylistically it makes sense but it does tie into whether the dreads get applied to "black" Klingons only - it looks that way. Otherwise we could end up with a Trustafarian Klingon.
Klingons are a diverse a people as any. We've even seen redhead and blond Klingons.
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