Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x04 – “Vox in Excelso”

[Fateor]

Yes, maybe so? But Klingons being refugees appears to be a more general thing than just this one group. I think. It seems to be that this particular group are the remnants of Klingon governance and the ones who would need to take the lead in settling a new planet.

It's been 120 years since the Burn, the only Klingons that would still be refugee's are one's too stubborn to settle down for one reason or another.

Also, there's probably still that planet full of Klingons in the Delta Quadrant.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

"Captain, there be Klingons here!" (scene cuts to angry Klingons in armor swimming in the tank thrashing away all Klingony)

 

[BigJake]

It's been 120 years since the Burn, the only Klingons that would still be refugee's are one's too stubborn to settle down for one reason or another.

I guess that's possible? I would find a more diverse set of options more interesting, I have to admit: but everything said in the episode is about refugee status, refugee camps and looming near-extinction, so that's not the impression I had.

 

[Mudd]

That was disappointing.

Klingon dialogue written by ChatGPT?

 

[Mudd]

Perhaps it was in fact Picard who misquoted Aron Satie in The Drumhead and the Doctor actually accurately quoted Satie?

Well, Picard's statement makes sense, and Picardo's makes none.

 

[eschaton]

They hunted because that's the Klingon way.

It's not just that they hunted. It's that they seemed to have homemade bows and arrows, lived in tents, were cooking around a campfire. The clothing was a bit more advanced than skins, but otherwise, it did seem like they were near stone age in terms of their technological level - which just made the quick escape in the starship all the more baffling.

I would've preferred if they had committed to the bit one way or the other. If they were meant to be Klingon primitives (which seemed to be the implication, what with the whole eschewing medicine thing), then they shouldn't be able to flee off-planet in a starship on the drop of a hat. On the other hand, they could've been integrated into higher technology. Like, what if they were essentially street people? A subjugated urban minority living in shantytowns on someone else's planet. They could still be proud and independent, but more recognizably meshed into galactic culture (not to mention, Jay-Den finding the Starfleet signal device would make more sense then).

The latter, though, wouldn't have been cheap, and would require either expensive one-off sets, or lots of rendering in the Volume. I can see why they decided to just have his family traipsing through the woods of Ontario instead.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Finding homes for billions of refuges would not be anything resembling an easy task.

 

[cooleddie74]

Ask Admiral Jean-Luc Picard circa 2385.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's not just that they hunted. It's that they seemed to have homemade bows and arrows, lived in tents, were cooking around a campfire. The clothing was a bit more advanced than skins, but otherwise, it did seem like they were near stone age in terms of their technological level - which just made the quick escape in the starship all the more baffling.

The bow was a traditional weapon. Part of a rite of passage

 

[NCC-73515]

I’m pretty sure only a handful of you (if even that) would pronounce my name correctly. So I have no problem at all with there being multiple ways to say certain Klingon words.

mIHI in Klingon

He pronounced them the way Marc Okrand pronounces it, the creator of the language.

Who consults on all the new shows whenever they use Klingon, and has even created new languages for the new shows.

That's also how they're said to be pronounced in the official Klingon dictionary.

That's one thing Disco did really well. Only Kruge, Martok, and Chang spoke 'proper' Klingon before, IIRC. Worf and Gowron had the right words, but often mispronounced them, which was then explained as being different dialects

People sometimes bully those they have a crush on - it's one of those weird things that humans (and Khionians?) do.

There's an amazing scene in Sex Ed: The bully and his victim are alone, he throws him on the ground, lies on top of him all aggressive, the poor guy is scared, and then... the bully kisses him. And proceeds to move further down...

As much as I loved that intimate Jay-Den/Darem moment, there’s also a part in me that felt it wasn’t totally earned, at least not yet. I feel like the last time we saw them interact was in the premiere, when Darem was a massive bully towards Jay-Den for no reason. Him being the one who notices that Jay-Den needs help and encouragement felt like a bit of a sudden turn, even if I’m taking last week’s episode into account. Last week Darem seemed to have learned that he doesn’t need to be the leader. But does that also mean he’s suddenly a sensitive friend in tune with the emotional well-being of everyone around him? What might have made more sense is if Darem had talked to Jay-Den about his parents and how they are having unrealistic expectations of him as well. Might have felt like a more natural bonding moment. And played right they still could have come as close as they did in “Vox In Excelso”.

It might be his way of making up for the bullying after he realized it was wrong

 

[BigJake]

The bow was a traditional weapon. Part of a rite of passage

Looked at closely it actually seems to be a combination of bow and Bat'leth. Sort of a... bow'tleth, I guess.

 

[CT_Phipps]

So now we know Jay-Den is from the House of Kraag, should we assume that any other instance of a Klingon being referred to in a first name last name way is just a bastardation of the Klingon language?

Could you imagine that application being consistent. General Martok Martok. Worf would have to change his name from Worf Mogh to Worf Martok.

Unless of course by this point Klingons have started declaring their Houses in their names in such a way.

Also I wonder what exactly the Jem'Hadar are up to, freed but engaging in conquest? I need to know the state of the Dominion in this time period.

Um, isn't that EXACTLY how Klingon houses work?

Martok's House is House Martok.

 

[Fateor]

I guess that's possible? I would find a more diverse set of options more interesting, I have to admit: but everything said in the episode is about refugee status, refugee camps and looming near-extinction, so that's not the impression I had.

The episode also said that a large group of them took off with the Jem'Hadar.

Finding homes for billions of refuges would not be anything resembling an easy task.

Only if you lack the ability to create habitable planets on demand.

 

[fireproof78]

Looked at closely it actually seems to be a combination of bow and Bat'leth. Sort of a... bow'tleth, I guess.

My favorite Klingon weapon.

 

[Turtletrekker]

And where are they going to find those planets? Planets in the proper orbit that have "not so much as a microbe" to endanger with detonation? The moral and ethical implications of using the Genesis device were made very clear in the context of the movies. Ferengi selling knock off Genesis devices on the black market is not the vote of confidence you seem to make it out to be. Where else did we see a Genesis device? Oh yeah, in a Section 31 vault.

 

[NCC-73515]

Only if you lack the ability to create habitable planets on demand.

Charming! Station!


It is sad though that the mighty empire was crippled by a child's cry

 

[SAndrews10]

That the planet Krios from THE MINDS EYE?

 

[Fateor]

And where are they going to find those planets? Planets in the proper orbit that have "not so much as a microbe" to endanger with detonation? The moral and ethical implications of using the Genesis device were made very clear in the context of the movies. Ferengi selling knock off Genesis devices on the black market is not the vote of confidence you seem to make it out to be. Where else did we see a Genesis device? Oh yeah, in a Section 31 vault.

Why would the Klingons care about moral and ethical implications?

 

[TRON JA307020]

That was disappointing.

Klingon dialogue written by ChatGPT?

Agreed. The dialogue in this series really seems stilted at times. I need to check who's writing each episode and see if they are new or experienced

 

[Lakenheath 72]

That the planet Krios from THE MINDS EYE?

yes