Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x04 – “Vox in Excelso”

[Nerys Myk]

That's equivalent to whatever joke you thought you were making. Wasn't worth any more thought than that.

Another 1. But keep trying.

 

[Mr Awe]

Sometimes it really does help to just be acknowledged. One could make a parallel to a person with a terminal illness, they may not want help or pity because it reminds them of their weakness or mortality and so you have to meet people on their terms sometimes.

I saw the beauty and the fun in the compromise that was met with the Klingons. Everyone was able to get what they wanted in a way that worked for everyone.

Ok, I can respect that view. I can see that for other types of situations, such as the one you described.

I still think having the entire species require that pandering for their own survival is . . . silly.

 

[fireproof78]

Ok, I can respect that view. I can see that for other types of situations, such as the one you described.

I still think having the entire species require that pandering for their own survival is . . . silly.

Isn't that baked in to most Star Trek species? They are all kind of one stereotype that needs one thing in order for them to continue as a planet/race/species.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Im a member here and I can voice my opinons. Why would I want to go to a place were 100% of the people are like minded? Variety is good. Plus there are some here thay feel the way I do. I also don't believe my negativity is unfounded.

On paper I would entirely agree with you, a variety of opinions is vastly more desirable but these opinions need to come from a genuine place and not be formed before even watching an episode, or not bothering to watch it as the case may be, and they have to be expressed in a way that can stimulate further discussion and an exchange of viewpoints.

What good are differing opinions if they're expressed at people with no avenue to have a civilised discussion or debate?

I would in no way want anyone who doesn't like the show to feel they can't say that and I don't believe anyone on here would disagree with that. For some maybe it just isn't for them, sometimes entertainment and audience just don't click but if there are more nuanced reasons behind it then it is something that can be discussed and we can learn from each other.

Barking negativity and buzz words at people doesn't do that. Especially when a desire to dislike something is formed in advance, it just makes an opinion seem disingenuous.

 

[Mr Awe]

Other than their leader that Ake spoke with, how many Klingons actually know this was a setup? I gather that this was not shared with anyone except the High Council, and the conflict was purposely manufactured by both sides.

I'll grant you that's uncertain. But, it doesn't make it any better that they ALL require a manufactured conflict they could win for their own survival. Either they mostly knew it was fake and needed the pandering to make the right choice OR they thought it was real (except maybe the top guy) and that manipulated them into make the right choice. Either way it undercuts the message that they're a diverse, complex, intelligent species.

It's hard to take them seriously if they're ALL so easily manipulated with an obvious ploy.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Interesting you should say that. My wife and I were just remarking how cheap and cartoonish the series looks. Not all the times but when there is a lot of CGI it is definitely subpar. The physical stages look great though.

Im not a big fan of the effects as well. Also the led track lighting everywhere is really bad looking and not needed.

 

[Fateor]

Other than their leader that Ake spoke with, how many Klingons actually know this was a setup? I gather that this was not shared with anyone except the High Council, and the conflict was purposely manufactured by both sides.

All of them? The Klingon weapons were set to minimum power which would have taken a purposeful act on the part of those in command of the ships.

 

[Mr Awe]

Isn't that baked in to most Star Trek species? They are all kind of one stereotype that needs one thing in order for them to continue as a planet/race/species.

I'll grant you that's often the case. I just thought they were trying to not do that here. And it seemed so obvious too. But you're right that it is consistent with a lot of the monolithic portrayals of alien cultures.

 

[fireproof78]

I'll grant you that's often the case. I just thought they were trying to not do that here. And it seemed so obvious too. But you're right that it is consistent with a lot of the monolithic portrayals of alien cultures.

It's also consistent with all too many real life issues. Things are treated as massive opinions, rather than nuanced.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Ok, I can respect that view. I can see that for other types of situations, such as the one you described.

I still think having the entire species require that pandering for their own survival is . . . silly.

Could we not spend many days discussing Star Trek plots that are a little silly if you think too much about them?

 

[Mr Awe]

It's also consistent with all too many real life issues. Things are treated as massive opinions, rather than nuanced.

I'd agree with that. The difference is that in the show, the Klingons reacted as if they were a single, consistent culture with no variation. In the real world, if you treat a group that way and they are actually diverse, you won't get the results you expect.

So, through the unified Klingon reactions, the writers basically confirmed the Klingons were that single culture. One that is easily deceived and/or manipulated. It wasn't just that the characters thought they were one-dimensional stereotypes. The Klingons actually acted that way.

 

[Mr Awe]

Could we not spend many days discussing Star Trek plots that are a little silly if you think too much about them?

That's why this BBS exists! And it has been around for a LONG time. So, you're right!

 

[fireproof78]

I'd agree with that. The difference is that in the show, the Klingons reacted as if they were a single, consistent culture with no variation. In the real world, if you treat a group that way and they are actually diverse, you won't get the results you expect.

So, through the unified Klingon reactions, the writers basically confirmed the Klingons were that single culture. One that is easily deceived and/or manipulated. It wasn't just that the characters thought they were one-dimensional stereotypes. The Klingons actually acted that way.

Yes, it is very common in fiction. Especially in Star Trek.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

That's why this BBS exists! And it has been around for a LONG time. So, you're right!

It has endured for 2000 years and will continue to endure long after paramount plus has crumbled into dust.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I swear to Rod, it’s like no one has ever seen a film or tv about the military or college before SFA. Look at For All Mankind. The characters are adults and part of an elite group of veteran military pilots yet are involved with reckless, petty and juvenile antics with angst filled private lives. Top Gun’s hero is fits that as well.

 

[Mr Awe]

You just shot yourself in the foot with that comment.


It is, just a TV show.

So, what are you saying? It's NOT ok to be annoyed by juvenile characters. That we're forced to like them?! Interesting.

I guess whatever floats your boat. You like 'em, you got 'em! Enjoy!

 

[Mr Awe]

Another 1. But keep trying.

I wasn't trying. Your original "joke" about "a list of words" was so dumb that it's not worth the effort. Do better. At least try to make sense.

 

[fireproof78]

I swear to Rod, it’s like no one has ever seen a film or tv about the military or college before SFA. Look at For All Mankind. The characters are adults and part of an elite group of veteran military pilots yet are involved with reckless, petty and juvenile antics with angst filled private lives. Top Gun’s hero is fits that as well.

There's a whole sequence all about that angst.

Flaws, self-doubt, even unprofessional behavior. Would totally tank in 2026!

 

[DaveyNY]

So, what are you saying? It's NOT ok to be annoyed by juvenile characters. That we're forced to like them?! Interesting.

I guess whatever floats your boat. You like 'em, you got 'em! Enjoy!

Most folks who find a thing as apparently annoying to view as you've been describing, usually move on to watch something else that doesn't ring that bell and they find enjoyable.

But, as you indicated, whatever floats your boat.

And with that, I'm moving on to another discussion that I don't find completely annoying.
Have a lovely night.

 

[1001001]

I’ll give it a 7. Pretty good.

+1 for The Vulcan Hello.

So, 8.