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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x03 – “Vitus Reflux”

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Trekyards mentioned a possible plot hole. The phasers used in calica are said to only be capable of beaming the target to the penalty box. But, when Genesis shoots the replicators, it creates smoke. First, why would shooting replicators create smoke? Second, shouldn't the phasers had beamed the replicators to the penalty box since that is the only thing they are designed to do?

I thought the implication was she teleported out parts of it versus the actual whole thing.
 
Genesis and Jay-Den are the only two Cadets I actually want to see talk a lot, which is no shade cast at the other actors, but three episodes in there are Cadets that annoy me more than anything else.
 
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I'm completely fine with the script ignoring the established facts about replicators if it means a situation can be constructed where Thok is upset that her dinner is literally unable to exist.
Except that situation can be constructed without ignoring established facts by just having it be "You didn't get around to fixing the replicator" instead of the other thing.


Probably illegal technology now. If all temporal technology is outlawed that probably includes time messaging technology as well as travelling.
Well... Daniels was certainly still using temporal technology...

And you can apparently buy it in various marketplaces...

So really, it's only illegal for the regular peons of Starfleet... Which is kind of hilarious to think about given a temporal rift generator locked to only take you 1 second into the future would have allowed them to completely bypass the whole burn warp travel problem.


Trekyards mentioned a possible plot hole. The phasers used in calica are said to only be capable of beaming the target to the penalty box. But, when Genesis shoots the replicators, it creates smoke. First, why would shooting replicators create smoke? Second, shouldn't the phasers had beamed the replicators to the penalty box since that is the only thing they are designed to do?
Yeah... That was a rather noticeable plot hole...
 
Somebody, whose name escapes me, made an interesting observation in another group: that fandom has always been cool with Starfleet officers waxing nostalgic about their rowdy Academy days, and the antics they got into in their callow youths, but apparently some fans really don't want to see that in the present tense! :)

Being rowdy is fine. Swallowing a comm badge or screaming red alert, red alert is just really dumb for a academy cadet. If she becomes s captain one day I wonder if she'll tell that story to her shipmates. Lol
 
Being rowdy is fine. Swallowing a comm badge or screaming red alert, red alert is just really dumb for a academy cadet.
That wasn't SAM.
and she was stressed it was her first day.

Except that situation can be constructed without ignoring established facts by just having it be "You didn't get around to fixing the replicator" instead of the other thing.
It's not ignoring any established facts.
They've talked about preparing replicated meals in other shows before.
 
I think that is thinking the only thing affected was space travel when I think it triggered a Fallout-esque universe as a whole.

The galaxy went from Star Trek: TNG to Borderlands.

Which is to say everyone might be using analog technology and the replicators aren't nearly as good as they used to be.

Well dilithium is only there to regulate the matter/anti matter in the engines and keep them from colliding and exploding the ship. Warp drive/space travel in the star trek universe is still even possible without dilithium as well. Zephram Cochrane used old fashioned containment fields to regulate the matter/antimatter flow. Think like crude electrostatic force fields powered by a mechanical engine. Basically not a good way to do it so that's why he only was able to keep warp drive for a brief time. Any longer the ship probably would have exploded.

The other technology in trek is powered things like planetary reactors on earth. Most likely fusion reactors.

Also remember starfleet was using programmable matter during and after the burn. So their technology had not stagnated into analog. All they lost was warp drive. Im still surprised they couldn't come up with a solution. Not all species the federation has come on contact with use dilithium.
 
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Somebody, whose name escapes me, made an interesting observation in another group: that fandom has always been cool with Starfleet officers waxing nostalgic about their rowdy Academy days, and the antics they got into in their callow youths, but apparently some fans really don't want to see that in the present tense! :)

Absolutely. Hearing how interesting characters became the way they are? Fine. Spending hours of watching them to get there? Not so much.

I love TNG "Tapestry". For one episode, that's great. But I wouldn't watch an entire series based on that.
 
I remember when Daniels in "Shockwave, Part II(ENT)" tells Archer that in the 31st century every school child has a quantum discriminator in their desk, but we never see such a fantastic device nor do we hear truly unfathomable details about the 31st century that would make 900 years after Enterprise sound too alien.

We hear about statues, memorials, libraries and books. Because all those are relatable, even if they're futuristic versions of those things.
Visually speaking there are no difference in NuTrek.
The aesthetics of DSC-SNW-SFA are completely interchangeable.
Treknology should feel like 'magic' to us, just like smartphones of today would seem like magic in the 1700s.
And SFA is set a millenium in the future but everything seems "relatable", which is annoying.
Probably illegal technology now. If all temporal technology is outlawed that probably includes time messaging technology as well as travelling.
Kovich being revealed as Daniels was the stupidest fuckng thing ever.
Trekyards mentioned a possible plot hole. The phasers used in calica are said to only be capable of beaming the target to the penalty box. But, when Genesis shoots the replicators, it creates smoke. First, why would shooting replicators create smoke? Second, shouldn't the phasers had beamed the replicators to the penalty box since that is the only thing they are designed to do?
Hack writers that don't know Trek, that's the answer.
 
Remember, not everybody is cut out for Starfleet, there are drop outs for various reasons. Can't take the pressure, legaly insane, etc. Pigford may or may not make it, if she can get her Shi* together, all in a box, and make it that fine. People Don't cut it, some get expelled, some die. its Starfleet academy, not Yale. Risk is part of the business.

Also a Note.. Seen Commander Samantha Wildman on the wall :)
 
Had to give it a 5. After a nice showing and start with the first 2 episodes, this one showed the promise to be a fast-paced and fun episode. Instead, it had those parts along with the bad writing that plagued Discovery for me: situation at hand, things need to be done, but wait! I need to talk about my feelings.

Not to say people can't have feelings, but there are times and places.

Another thing bugging me is making Starfleet out to be this "brand-new experiment". Um, it existed since the 2100's, nothing new about it. Isn't that how starships train and assemble the crews?

Things like the phaser mentioned in a few posts above in this episode just came out that the writers didn't think much of these things before shooting.

A couple of characters are becoming favorites of mine, but this episode just didn't get to the level of the first 2. Hopefully things will get better as the season progresses.
 
Instead, it had those parts along with the bad writing that plagued Discovery for me: situation at hand, things need to be done, but wait! I need to talk about my feelings.

Not to say people can't have feelings, but there are times and places.
What's interesting about this show is that they still put these scenes in (often in inappropriate ways, as you say) but the show always pivots away from it in under a minute, often with another character directly commenting about the absurd nature of having a Hollywood-y feelings chat in this situation.

It's like the writers are sick of it themselves but somehow unable to fully break away from it. Either way, I think it actually works to the show's favour; the sudden segways into DSC/SNW style therapy speak end up working as jokes.
 
Well dilithium is only there to regulate the matter/anti matter in the engines and keep them from colliding and exploding the ship. Warp drive/space travel in the star trek universe is still even possible without dilithium as well. Zephram Cochrane used old fashioned containment fields to regulate the matter/antimatter flow. Think like crude electrostatic force fields powered by a mechanical engine. Basically not a good way to do it so that's why he only was able to keep warp drive for a brief time. Any longer the ship probably would have exploded.

The other technology in trek is powered things like planetary reactors on earth. Most likely fusion reactors.

Also remember starfleet was using programmable matter during and after the burn. So their technology had not stagnated into analog. All they lost was warp drive. Im still surprised they couldn't come up with a solution. Not all species the federation has come on contact with use dilithium.

My response is there's a hundred different things they could have done to stop the collapse of the Federation and galactic civilization as a whole.

And they did none of them.

Because galactic civilization did collapse.

I would love an Una McCormack THE LAST BEST HOPE style book for the Burn personally to explain what caused everything to go to hell but we only know the starting event and then everything DID go to hell.
 
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