Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x01 – “Kids These Days”

[Fateor]

Hmm, so i "learned" a lot looking into this.
Bajor might be 60 or so lightyears from "the core Federation worlds" or it might be 200 or so, depending on the various canon sources used.

Deep Space Nine had the Defiant make the trip from Earth to Bajor in somewhere between 3-5 days going by the given stardates between the episodes "Past Tense" and "Life Support".

TNG and later shuttlecraft (and DIS too, due to frankly retconning), did have warp capacity. But I don't think it is clearly answered in canon whether their warp capability was powered by fusion or M/AM reaction. The few explicit mentions of their warp capability describe the millicochrane rating of the nacells, and fandom seems to have concluded that small M/AM reactors are present in the nacelles, walls, or floors of the shuttles.
However, if shuttles could rely only on fusion power, and could maintain warp 5 (TNG scale) for several months (or could change shuttles at multiple stops), and Bajor was only 60 lightyears away, then Ake could have made the trip in about 3 months. So possible, a stretch, but possible.

Deep Space Nine has an episode where they have to use a shuttlepod with known warp capability to go down to a planet specifically because the shuttlepod doesn't use anti-matter.

Also, I'd point out that Deep Space Nine itself was able to travel at Warp using it's fusion reactors when it moved from orbiting Bajor to the Denoris belt.

 

[Ometiklan]

Deep Space Nine had the Defiant make the trip from Earth to Bajor in somewhere between 3-5 days going by the given stardates between the episodes "Past Tense" and "Life Support".



Deep Space Nine has an episode where they have to use a shuttlepod with known warp capability to go down to a planet specifically because the shuttlepod doesn't use anti-matter.

Also, I'd point out that Deep Space Nine itself was able to travel at Warp using it's fusion reactors when it moved from orbiting Bajor to the Denoris belt.

for the second, i'm not sure the shuttlepod had "known warp capability". Wasn't it only used that once? Unless Odo used it to get to the Founder's planet after Kira was knocked out. Regardless, this also might imply the inverse, that most shuttlecraft, ie. those that are not "pods", do use antimater.
[edited: upon further reading, it would seem the Chafee used in "The Sound of Her Voice" and lacking antimater, was designed after the previous shuttle type 18 model had been stolen, so it didn't appear anywhere else, so doesn't have warp capability. It does have nacelles though...]

for the last one, they just had to create the lowest level warp field and for only a few minutes. probably signifiantly less power consumption than mid-to-high-warp travel.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Also, I'd point out that Deep Space Nine itself was able to travel at Warp using it's fusion reactors when it moved from orbiting Bajor to the Denoris belt.

I am reasonably certain the station is not capable and travelled at impulse speeds

 

[Tuskin38]

I'd point out that Deep Space Nine itself was able to travel at Warp using it's fusion reactors when it moved from orbiting Bajor to the Denoris belt.

DS9 did not go to warp, they just used the deflector to create a subspace field to lower the station's mass.

Which according to I believe the TNG tech manual is what Impulse Engines do already.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I am reasonably certain the station is not capable and travelled at impulse speeds

This. The station had maneuvering thrusters, not Warp drive.

 

[Fateor]

I am reasonably certain the station is not capable and travelled at impulse speeds

It's averages to a 6 hour trip from DS9 to Bajor with a Runabout's impulse drive.

DS9 made the trip a lot faster then that.

In fact, they made the trip so much faster that it only works out if they were traveling faster then light.

 

[Tuskin38]

It's averages to a 6 hour trip from DS9 to Bajor with a Runabout's impulse drive.

DS9 made the trip a lot faster then that.

In fact, they made the trip so much faster that it only works out if they were traveling faster then light.

You need to stop doing math and just enjoy what you're watching.

Star Trek has never been consistent with travel times going all the way back to 1966. Ships/ shuttles and space stations always travel at the speed of plot.

There's no dialogue in Emissary that supports the station going FTL.

O'BRIEN: This isn't a starship, Major. We've got six working thrusters to power us and that's it. A hundred sixty million kilometre trip would take two months.
KIRA: It has to be there tomorrow.
O'BRIEN: That's not possible, sir.
KIRA: That wormhole might just reshape the future of this entire quadrant. The Bajorans have to stake a claim to it. And I have to admit that claim will be a lot stronger if there's a Federation presence to back it up.
DAX: Couldn't you modify the subspace field output of the deflector generators just enough to create a low-level field around the station?
O'BRIEN: So we could lower the inertial mass?
DAX: If you can make the station lighter, those six thrusters will be all the power we'd need.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

It's averages to a 6 hour trip from DS9 to Bajor with a Runabout's impulse drive.

DS9 made the trip a lot faster then that.

In fact, they made the trip so much faster that it only works out if they were traveling faster then light.

Okay...do you need a list of every single inconsistency with sublight and ftl speeds? Because this is just a thinly veiled excuse to bitch about Discovery and Academy

 

[Farscape One]

They wrote them just blowing them up. They could have wrote them disabling the ship. Or hell, since they needed Paul Giamatti to escape anyway, just have the ship run away like the pirate that tried to steal the Enterprise in SNW.


Yes and the writers made it clear that Sisko was "Ahab" at that point. It's not a "fist pump" hero moment.

Also there are a lot of jokes about Janeway being prosecuted for her hundreds of crimes, including the murder of Tuvix. lol

Considering they were still a danger to the ship and could easily fire again to destroy the Athena, that pirate ship was a clear danger to them and disabling was not in the cards at that time.

It's averages to a 6 hour trip from DS9 to Bajor with a Runabout's impulse drive.

DS9 made the trip a lot faster then that.

In fact, they made the trip so much faster that it only works out if they were traveling faster then light.

DS9 used their deflectors to lighten their mass so greatly that the thrusters were able to move them further and faster than normal.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I certainly wouldn't have taken Braka at his word. He has a history of murdering Starfleet officers for his own gain.

 

[Tuskin38]

DS9 used their deflectors to lighten their mass so greatly that the thrusters were able to move them further and faster than normal.

Yeah, they generated a subspace field. Which impulse engines do already, but they're not FTL engines.

Lt. Atlee, one of the bridge officers on the Athena is played by Nicole Dickinson.

I bring this up because Atlee appears to be the same species as Colt from the Discovery Season 2 finale, who was also played by Nicole.

 

[firehawk12]

Considering they were still a danger to the ship and could easily fire again to destroy the Athena, that pirate ship was a clear danger to them and disabling was not in the cards at that time.



DS9 used their deflectors to lighten their mass so greatly that the thrusters were able to move them further and faster than normal.

The episode is like 70 minutes... if the writers wanted to clarify, they could have. Instead they just showed the Athena pew pew pewing the pirate ship and blowing it up... and then also completely ignore the escape pod with the big baddy in it like it was the end of A New Hope and everyone forgot Vader was alive.

Just watching that bit again she also says "Blow that ship to hell", so eh. lol

 

[FredH]

The one cadet walking around screaming 'red alert' during the battle, should probably be sent home. That is not the environment for them.

I dunno, it’s basically their first day of class; they haven’t been trained to deal yet. Four years from now when she’s supposed to be prepared for maybe getting a ship blown up around her, it would be different.

 

[fireproof78]

everyone forgot Vader was alive

He wasn't a big bad guy.

 

[Dar70]

Just got done watching the episodes.One positive I will say is that the Starfleet starbase designs are better than the 32nd century stuff we initially saw in Disco. Liked seeing the Doctor. Robert Picardo still plays him to the hilt. Holly Hunter??? GREAT. She's a great actress and I had no doubt she would do a good job. Nice to see Oded Fehr. Been a fan of his since the mummy/ Resident Evil Franchises and glad they kept him in SFA.

The production values are high. As they should be in today's productions. Much of it is well done. I like most of the aesthetics. (Like the aforementioned Starbases) But not all. Especially the overuse of led strips. Which every Trek has done since LED lighting became the norm. Tbf Trek productions are not the only scif franchises that do this. I wish they would tone it down though. Don't know if that is possible at this point.

The Athena???? It's ok I guess. Will have to wait to see more of her.

Story??? Didn't love it. I don't know. I'm not too keen on the 32nd century But whatever. I didn't expect to love it. It was about what I thought it would be. Some good stuff in there though. I will give this 6/10. Not quite a 7 but almost. It has some growing pains for sure. But I did like it more than Discos premiere. Not as much as SNW premiere. The good news is it hopefully will get better as it goes along and having only 20 episodes it should not devolve like SNW did. If it remains a mini series at 20 episodes I think that will be a good thing.

 

[Farscape One]

The episode is like 70 minutes... if the writers wanted to clarify, they could have. Instead they just showed the Athena pew pew pewing the pirate ship and blowing it up... and then also completely ignore the escape pod with the big baddy in it like it was the end of A New Hope and everyone forgot Vader was alive.

Just watching that bit again she also says "Blow that ship to hell", so eh. lol

I'll concede your escape pod point (even though he could easily have gotten away since the Athena was already severely damaged), but destroying that pirate ship was justified.

 

[thribs]

The guy on the bridge looks like a young Jon Hamm

 

[Firebird]

That's because the writers have no sense of scale about just what the "Burn" actually would have been like.

There is no "actually," the Burn is a fictional event. It can be whatever the writers want it to be.

 

[Tuskin38]

Like the aforementioned Starbases

They just reused the Starbase model from Picard Season 3.

 

[cooleddie74]

There is no "actually," the Burn is a fictional event. It can be whatever the writers want it to be.

And as weird and ridiculous as the cause of the Burn was, it is indeed fictional and thus not required to make sense to us.