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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x01 – “Kids These Days”

Give it up for Robert Picardo folks!

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I appreciate the comment. But I disagree.
First, for most practical (i.e., actually implementable) purposes, up through DIS season 5, they did need dilithium. I vaguely remember a whole line of dialog from Vance (?) about how Starfleet has investigated a ton of alternative warp options but has failed at them all till now (frankly ridiculous, given the variety of technologies we have seen in Trek before including Romulan sigularities and spacial trajectors, etc., but that is Discovery writers and the power of plot for you). Second, given what Trek has shown us, fusion reactors, as powerful as they are, would never generate enough power for high-level warp, and additionally would require too much on-board fuel. And Bajor is a long way away, low-level warp wouldn't get you there in a reasonable time even for a half-lanthanite.

It's more likely that I am forgetting more instances of warp travel in the post-Burn era. Enough such that interstellar travel is feasible, just not enough to hold a large (100+ lightyear) political entity like the Federation together. Or the show just forgot that it should be extremly hard to get to Bajor.
Bajor's only about 60ly from Earth, a 24th century shuttle craft, most of which relied on fusion reactors for warp travel, could have made the trip in somewhere between 1-3 months.

Functionally speaking, and assuming Warp Travel was the only possible method of FTL, it would have basically been a return to the "Enterprise" era where you had "long haul" transports with months of travel time needed to get between various far flung Federation worlds.

Realistically though, even assuming no way was ever found to stabilize synthetic benemite, they would have just started constant synthesis of the crystals on various worlds and created a network of gas stations that allowed ships to replace theirs immediately any time they de-crystalized.

Or set up transwarp/subspace corridors between systems.
 
Probably the singularity, like deuterium, provides the actual power, the crystals channel the energies created by it.
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Really liked this episode. Not perfect by any means but it mostly worked for me. Hunter and Giammati brought their A games. And the kids weren’t terrible.

I LOVE that the way she sits in the chair bugs so many people.

I even liked the needle drop at the end, wish they had used the original version instead of the weepy cover version but it fit.

Not sure what to make of the Doctor having a sad reaction to hearing Gwen’s name.

Not a fan of the Cerritos erasure in the opening 60th Anniversary Tag…but I get them skipping the Protostar.

8/10
 
Bajor's only about 60ly from Earth, a 24th century shuttle craft, most of which relied on fusion reactors for warp travel, could have made the trip in somewhere between 1-3 months.

Functionally speaking, and assuming Warp Travel was the only possible method of FTL, it would have basically been a return to the "Enterprise" era where you had "long haul" transports with months of travel time needed to get between various far flung Federation worlds.

Realistically though, even assuming no way was ever found to stabilize synthetic benemite, they would have just started constant synthesis of the crystals on various worlds and created a network of gas stations that allowed ships to replace theirs immediately any time they de-crystalized.

Or set up transwarp/subspace corridors between systems.
Hmm, so i "learned" a lot looking into this.
Bajor might be 60 or so lightyears from "the core Federation worlds" or it might be 200 or so, depending on the various canon sources used.
TNG and later shuttlecraft (and DIS too, due to frankly retconning), did have warp capacity. But I don't think it is clearly answered in canon whether their warp capability was powered by fusion or M/AM reaction. The few explicit mentions of their warp capability describe the millicochrane rating of the nacells, and fandom seems to have concluded that small M/AM reactors are present in the nacelles, walls, or floors of the shuttles.
However, if shuttles could rely only on fusion power, and could maintain warp 5 (TNG scale) for several months (or could change shuttles at multiple stops), and Bajor was only 60 lightyears away, then Ake could have made the trip in about 3 months. So possible, a stretch, but possible.

So, it seems (if the fusion part is right) they could do this kind of travel. I guess whether those trips happen and how common they are depend on the need for such a long-distance travel and the relative worth of it. But this, to me, argues that the collapse of the Federation and its failure to restore itself sooner was more the result of (1) the immediate disastrous impacts of the Burn and (2) ongoing social/political issues, rather than the longterm technical/transport restrictions. (Which one might hope would be the point or focus of a sci-fi/alegorical show like Trek. Maybe I should go back and rewatch DIS to see what my impression is this time around.)

A lot of "ifs" to get to this point, but maybe we will get some further exploration of these issues in SFA to augment the rather limited exploration we got from DIS. But I fear it is more likely it will be ignored in preference to more shiny graphics, more DOTs, and more punching scenes.

Really liked this episode. Not perfect by any means but it mostly worked for me. Hunter and Giammati brought their A games. And the kids weren’t terrible.

I LOVE that the way she sits in the chair bugs so many people.

I even liked the needle drop at the end, wish they had used the original version instead of the weepy cover version but it fit.

Not sure what to make of the Doctor having a sad reaction to hearing Gwen’s name.

Not a fan of the Cerritos erasure in the opening 60th Anniversary Tag…but I get them skipping the Protostar.

8/10
I liked the references to Prodigy. I think the Doc is sad about her ultimate fate which, thanks to Netflix, we may never know. :(

They should revise the graphics to include the Cerritos and the Protostar. [#justiceforanimation] Why do you "get" them skipping it?
 
The one cadet walking around screaming 'red alert' during the battle, should probably be sent home. That is not the environment for them.
Same cadet who apparently swallowed her badge while nervously chewing in it. Sorry, but that's is NOT officer material.

It's 2 strikes for her, 3 and the character is a wash imo, just a sore spot in an otherwise pretty good cast for me.
 
Gave it a 7, I'd say typical good Discovery episode, some good, some Huh.. but in general enjoyable. One part that i DIDN'T like is the Jema-klingon was yelling at the kids.. DON"T FN YELL at people. If your yelling you've already lost. Its not some military boot camp, its a freaking collage/academy. Plus the having a "robust" black lady yelling was.. stereotypical? ( Trying to be nice) all she was missing was a flip-flop.

Anyways. Decent start, I'll keep watching.
I've feeling there might be some "yelling" at RW academies.
 
Bajor's only about 60ly from Earth, a 24th century shuttle craft, most of which relied on fusion reactors for warp travel, could have made the trip in somewhere between 1-3 months.

Functionally speaking, and assuming Warp Travel was the only possible method of FTL, it would have basically been a return to the "Enterprise" era where you had "long haul" transports with months of travel time needed to get between various far flung Federation worlds.

Realistically though, even assuming no way was ever found to stabilize synthetic benemite, they would have just started constant synthesis of the crystals on various worlds and created a network of gas stations that allowed ships to replace theirs immediately any time they de-crystalized.

Or set up transwarp/subspace corridors between systems.
"Realistically". :guffaw:Speed of plot.
 
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