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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x01 – “Kids These Days”

Give it up for Robert Picardo folks!

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Just did a second watch, much better pilot than I expected. My fav scene the school taking its place in San Franciso, although the city should to be as large as Australia to school students for the trillion population UFP. The idea of another lost soul needing mentoring by a Starfleet captain ala Kelvin Kirk, Burnham, Sisko had me rolling my eyes.
My headcanon is the the entire SF Bay Area is the Acadmy. From Marin to Santa Clara and maybe down to Santa Cruz/Monterey.
 
I had one general question for this board. I am a little unclear about how Ake traveled to Bajor 15 years prior. As far as I understand it, warp travel was extreemly limited before Discovery saved the day. The entire "Federation" only had a few dozen ships, and then there are the unaligned traders (like Book) and villains who managed to get their hands on some dilithium, but otherwise everyone is supposed to be completely isolated from all other star systems, right? I guess when Ake quit, from whatever random detention center she was posted at, she could have requested Starfleet drop her at Bajor for her reitrement?

Seriously, I have only managed to watch Discovery once through, and the showrunners and writers for that show weren't known for their worldbuilding, so am I wrong in my impression that warp travel (especially to a place as far away as Bajor) should have been extreemly rare? This show doesn't seem to treat it as such (almost like they forgot the impact of the Burn 15 years ago).
Bajor was within range of the Federation during the Burn years. After all, as per Disco S3, Starfleet had the Dominion under regular surveillance. The only way that would have been possible is if they had easy access to Bajor and by extension the wormhole into the Gamma Quadrant.
 
Braka and his pirates laid a trap, fired on the Athena (which was essentially a moving school with mostly kids), and was trying to steal their warp core.

Are we supposed to be okay with Ake destroying the pirate ship? Yes, I'm confident that we should be okay with that.



The Federation: bloodthirsty? I've heard the Federation be called a lot of things over the years... arrogant, judgmental, a bit subversive, etc. (And I'd actually agree with much of those things.) But bloodthirsty?

That's a new one for me, and certainly not a word that remotely fits them. Not in this space/time continuum.
They wrote them just blowing them up. They could have wrote them disabling the ship. Or hell, since they needed Paul Giamatti to escape anyway, just have the ship run away like the pirate that tried to steal the Enterprise in SNW.

Oh please. Starfleet using lethal measures to end a threat is hardly new given General Order 24 is a thing.

Janeway had no issue destroying Kazon raiders and remember that time she decided it was time to take out the garbage and destroy a malon freighter instead of just leaving them stranded with a two year journey home? Or what about the time she helped the Borg kill a species they started a war with?

Sisko is an accessory to murder for crying out loud and used biogenic weapons against the maquis.
Yes and the writers made it clear that Sisko was "Ahab" at that point. It's not a "fist pump" hero moment.

Also there are a lot of jokes about Janeway being prosecuted for her hundreds of crimes, including the murder of Tuvix. lol
 
Bajor was within range of the Federation during the Burn years. After all, as per Disco S3, Starfleet had the Dominion under regular surveillance. The only way that would have been possible is if they had easy access to Bajor and by extension the wormhole into the Gamma Quadrant.
Remembering that the Burn was a one-off / discontinuous event, but the main apprehension came from the uncertainty of a repeat. Interstellar travel continued, but there was less of it as the affected galactic powers became more strategic in their choice of when to use it, and commercial users yanked the price up.If you wanted to travel, you travelled, but maybe it cost more, and maybe you accepted a heightened risk.

Look at me explaining this like it was an actual historical series of events.....
 
Gave it a 7, I'd say typical good Discovery episode, some good, some Huh.. but in general enjoyable. One part that i DIDN'T like is the Jema-klingon was yelling at the kids.. DON"T FN YELL at people. If your yelling you've already lost. Its not some military boot camp, its a freaking collage/academy. Plus the having a "robust" black lady yelling was.. stereotypical? ( Trying to be nice) all she was missing was a flip-flop.

Anyways. Decent start, I'll keep watching.
 
If your yelling you've already lost. Its not some military boot camp, its a freaking collage/academy.
It's both.

This is a military organization and training to serve in it.

I agree on the yelling but that's another thing, especially given multiple species being represented here. Flashbacks to the Zakdorn insulting Wesley.
 
Gave it a 7, I'd say typical good Discovery episode, some good, some Huh.. but in general enjoyable. One part that i DIDN'T like is the Jema-klingon was yelling at the kids.. DON"T FN YELL at people. If your yelling you've already lost. Its not some military boot camp, its a freaking collage/academy. Plus the having a "robust" black lady yelling was.. stereotypical? ( Trying to be nice) all she was missing was a flip-flop.

Anyways. Decent start, I'll keep watching.

She was the highlight of the first episode, for me. Seemed like the only one with an actual personality that wasn't baked in smugness.
 
Firmly disagree. In the military, yelling happens. That's how you mold people into dealing with deadly environments.

ETA: If you can't deal with yelling, you've already lost your life.
 
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The one cadet walking around screaming 'red alert' during the battle, should probably be sent home. That is not the environment for them.
 
I find it interesting how vague this show is about the burn.
They never explained what it is at all, they never mentioned dilithium, or even "warp" or "ships", and showed only a single explosion in the opening.
If you didn't watch DIS, this could literally be any other type of catastrophic collapse. Did they ever even mentioned in which century it takes place?
Which I guess is the right choice? The burn was narratively "solved" in DIS season 3, there isn't really anything new to do with it.
That's because the writers have no sense of scale about just what the "Burn" actually would have been like.


Bajor was within range of the Federation during the Burn years. After all, as per Disco S3, Starfleet had the Dominion under regular surveillance. The only way that would have been possible is if they had easy access to Bajor and by extension the wormhole into the Gamma Quadrant.
Not really, they could have used Slipstream, Protowarp, Transwarp, or Transwarp Corridors to travel there.

Or artificial microwormholes to communicate with whatever colonies were in the area.
 
You don't need Dilithium for warp travel.

You can use fusion or any number of other power sources, they just tend to be slower then the controlled M/AM reaction you can get when using Dilithium.
I appreciate the comment. But I disagree.
First, for most practical (i.e., actually implementable) purposes, up through DIS season 5, they did need dilithium. I vaguely remember a whole line of dialog from Vance (?) about how Starfleet has investigated a ton of alternative warp options but has failed at them all till now (frankly ridiculous, given the variety of technologies we have seen in Trek before including Romulan sigularities and spacial trajectors, etc., but that is Discovery writers and the power of plot for you). Second, given what Trek has shown us, fusion reactors, as powerful as they are, would never generate enough power for high-level warp, and additionally would require too much on-board fuel. And Bajor is a long way away, low-level warp wouldn't get you there in a reasonable time even for a half-lanthanite.

It's more likely that I am forgetting more instances of warp travel in the post-Burn era. Enough such that interstellar travel is feasible, just not enough to hold a large (100+ lightyear) political entity like the Federation together. Or the show just forgot that it should be extremly hard to get to Bajor.

Bajor was within range of the Federation during the Burn years. After all, as per Disco S3, Starfleet had the Dominion under regular surveillance. The only way that would have been possible is if they had easy access to Bajor and by extension the wormhole into the Gamma Quadrant.
Hmm, I don't remember that, but makes sense for the Federation. But one of the most important once-and-potentially-future adversaries being within range for surveillance by the Federation/Starfleet is quite different from being within travel range for a former captain turned teacher who wants to get away from things for a while. Seems like a stretch. Vulcan, Tellar, Betazed - those I could see getting a transport to, but Bajor, that is a hike!
 
The one cadet walking around screaming 'red alert' during the battle, should probably be sent home. That is not the environment for them.
She's the same one who swallowed her badge and got pissed off at SAM. She's not making a good first impression.

Of course let us not forget all the cadets who ran away from their posts in Wrath of Khan. They are still children, just because they pass an exam doesn't mean they can handle blood and explosions on day 1.
 
Of course let us not forget all the cadets who ran away from their posts in Wrath of Khan. They are still children, just because they pass an exam doesn't mean they can handle blood and explosions on day 1.
It means their training sucked. Someone should have been yelling at them.
 
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