I don’t think your enthusiasm for the Enterprise-F is going to carry over to this show. That was the whole point of giving those shuttles the Voyager-A’s registry.
Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x20 - "Supernova, Part 2"
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I don’t think your enthusiasm for the Enterprise-F is going to carry over to this show. That was the whole point of giving those shuttles the Voyager-A’s registry.
Every once in a while something in the new Trek shows just make me sit back and say, “I LOVE Star Trek.”
This was one of those things. Loved it. Maybe wrapped up a little too neatly, but I’m ok with that.
When the season first started, I thought Prodigy would serve as a fun diversion from the “adult” Trek shows, but it has blossomed into an absolutely stellar show that stands just as tall (and in some cases taller) as its “grown-up” peers.
This was one of those things. Loved it. Maybe wrapped up a little too neatly, but I’m ok with that.
When the season first started, I thought Prodigy would serve as a fun diversion from the “adult” Trek shows, but it has blossomed into an absolutely stellar show that stands just as tall (and in some cases taller) as its “grown-up” peers.
I would rather have a Voyager A to be honest, the thought of a Voyager A had never crossed my mind though.
They will need to start making a new title sequence with the new hero ship, unless the Voyager A is a Protostar class ship? Has the USS Protostar ever been given a class designation, btw? If Protostar is this prototypes name then going from past precedent with the USS Galaxy being the forebarer of the Galaxy class,and the Defiant, Intrepid etc for further ships in their lineage it looks like the Voyager A could be Protostar class? Janeway said that she had something bigger than the Protostar class ship waiting for the crew though…. So it *still* could be the Enterprise.
They mentioned that the class name is Protostar. And Janeway’s comment about ‘something bigger in mind’ was not a reference to the size of the ship.
There’s really only two possibilities:
1. The new Protostar-class ship we saw is the Voyager-A (unlikely, since that was not where Janeway was taking the kids.)
2. The Voyager-A is another new class that will be revealed in season 2.
There’s really only two possibilities:
1. The new Protostar-class ship we saw is the Voyager-A (unlikely, since that was not where Janeway was taking the kids.)
2. The Voyager-A is another new class that will be revealed in season 2.
What a finale (for the two parts combined)! Very happy with the way it ended: while part 1 was already an emotional rollercoaster, part 2 had multiple emotional moments of its own. And allthough season 1A and 1B often felt as separate seasons, this season finale does tie them together beautifully with callbacks to the pilot episode. I teared up just a little at the final scene of Dal and Gwyn, a very satisfying moment after all the lead up and after the lows of early season 1A. Who would have thought that a children's cartoon would have by far Star Treks best romance, so much more natural and touching than all those weird pairings or quickly forgotten affairs the other shows came up with (OK, Troi and Riker was nice and felt natural/real in Picard S1, but there were some very strange detours during TNG to finally get there)?
I had suspected that holo-Janeway would sacrifice herself (the writers/producers had emphasised that holo-Janeway was a fully developed character and that she would take surprising decisions, both good and bad), but that she would hide it from the children (so they couldn't argue and waste time) was extra touching.
I was also surprised that they right away had Janeway fighting, at an official tribunal for the brass no less, for the teens in general and Dal in particular (though we aren't quite through with that storyline yet I think, Janeway no doubt still wants most or all of them to go to the academy one day).
I was even more surprised that Gwyn gets separated from the group. You could see it coming in the scene leading up to the reveal, where they positioned a visibly saddened/melancholic Gwyn clearly apart from the rest and the animation of all the reaction shots was beautifully done. It was no surprise that it was Gwyn and not Dal that was left out, though I like it that Gwyn wants to do this and that Starfleet wants to help her. I just would have thought that Janeway and/or Starfleet would have asked the others to accompany her, so the presence of her "found family" would help her emotionally. Their presence on the mission to rescue Chakotay seems less needed from Starfleet's POV, even though no doubt they will end up playing a major role in it (they are the protagonists, after all).
Live action shows can have reshoots and/or their scripts changed at practically the last minute (the infamous copy/paste fleet of Picard S1 apparently is the result of such a last minute change, giving the CGI guys no time to do more than what got on the screen). As an animated show, Prodigy needs to lock its scripts a long time in advance so the CGI production (which does not only do special effects for the show, but all the sets and all the characters have to be generated and you can't do copy/paste there to that extent) can keep up. In turn, this means they have a plan and they have to stick with it.
Moreover, it also means that the message of the show has to be overall positive and so we get that warm fuzzy feeling (that optimistic vibe that was also there on many of the older shows), that is all too often missing from the more cynical live-action shows of this moment (Strange New Worlds admittedly does have that warm fuzzy feeling as well, to some degree).
It also means the show avoids very overt political messages, which is rather a good thing for an ST show IMO.
And the wormhole is also not something they will resolve in 5 minutes. There will probably be at least an entire episode dedicated to it, apart from the buildup/preparation.
And Prodigy did indeed stuck the landing, unlike Discovery S1 and Picard S1 (and no other ST show even tried doing anything remotely serialised in their respective S1s). That's no mean feat for a show that has such a serialised story. You can rewatch the season from the very first episode and be content, knowing the ending holds up and is satisfying after all the downs along the way.
Only thing that I didn't quite like about the finale episode is their arrival at Frisco in the shuttle, as if Jankom has copied Han Solo's come-in-at-lightspeed on a planet's surface manoevre. It may be explained in that tie-in novel, though in the show it's a weird lose end (surely their shuttle, however it go to Earth, would have been intercepted well before it got all the way to Earth's atmosphere).
While I think the back half of season 1 was more uneven than the first 10 episodes (where only ep 7 was a bit less in quality IMO, with the back 10 having ups and downs) and they could have found a better solution for the actions of the Construct (have it talk to Ascencia for instructions), overall the season was beautifully plotted. Also glad that the Construct is now of the table and we get new storylines that are logical continuations of the existing/(partially) closed storylines.
I also wonder when Gwyn will be reunited with the others. It may last a few episodes, but maybe she will be reunited with them as quickly as she first joined them in the first place, so 5-6 episodes?
There was something in the "Ready room" episode with Ella Purnell and Brett Gray, were they talked about the crew learning to interpret Murf's noises. It was talked about as if they would happen during episodes 11-20, but I can't think of any scene that would fit (it was said that Dal would try and convince the others that Murf was supporting whatever he wanted to happen). So, this is probably something from S2 (the voice-acting is done rather well in advance!). Since Ella Purnell implied that Gwyn would also attempt to decipher what Murf is saying, I guess she can't stay away from the group for very long.
As for the crew of Voyager, one of the producers did say that 2 more actors from the classis series would join in season 2. Only 2 we could say, if we would expect much of the original crew of Voyager to join Janeway (granted, someone like Naomi Wildman probably doesn't count because it doesn't involve a main actor).
The question is: who? Would a well known Starfleet face (or even 2) join Janeway on a rescue mission to the future, and maybe Gwyn would also get a special guest star to help her (can we think of a first contact specialist, or infiltration specialist, from one of the other shows, of which the actor/actress might be available? Troi maybe?).
As for keeping herself completely distant - largely I think, though she didn't kill on the Dauntless while taking over the transport room and she also seemed strangely careful while moving Janeway's unconscious body. She may have had a little slice of respect for the admiral, somewhere. She was obviously still willing to kill everybody on the Dauntless, but doing it directly by her own hand may have been difficult even for her.
Good question about Murf. Starfleet apparently knows what a "Mellanoid slime worm" is, but the name doesn't seem to cover what it actually is.
-we don't know if the "crimes" read are for all of the 'Protogies' at once. Stealing a starship is a valid accusation for Gwyn, as she attempted to claim the Protostar for her father, when she already knew it belonged to the Federation. As far as we know, being complicit in slavery is also on the list of accusations (though it's also possible Starfleet would hush that up deliberately, on a public meeting at least).
-technically, the crew did have the opportunity to give the ship back at Denaxi depot, and they failed to do so. That they were all panicking may not be seen as a sufficient excuse (before VA Janeway's speech, anyway)
In the same vein, things may be a bit more complicated than they seem at the surface. It's obvious that Gwyn and Janeway/Starfleet had talked before the verdict of the tribunal was delivered, and she likely knew at least the gist of what Janeway would tell the others. Would it be too cynical of me to suggest that Starfleet wanted to have means to pressure Gwyn in case she would not cooperate, and thus they waited to sound the "all clear" (and to get a compromise regarding entry into Starfleet which allows them to dance around the Dal issue for the time being, while making sure they don't lose those promising "prodigies") until it was clear she was on the same page and willing to be subject to a Starfleet mission commander for Solum? After what happened with the Construct, Starfleet has reason to do something about the Vau N'akat and they know they need Gwyn's cooperation for that (because they have a born infiltrator for Solum, who can approach the Vau N'akat without breaking the Prime Directive). While it was very likely she would be more than happy to cooperate, the Starfleet brass doesn't know her and probably realises her loyalties could be divided.
Anyway, it is clear that Gwyn wants this herself, too, though I can't imagine she would have been happy that the others were not allowed to join her (I don't understand what the in-universe reason for that would be, though in the context of writing the show I can see TPTB wanting to create room for Gwyn to have a separate storyline, at least until the inevitable reunion)
Regarding the production version of the Protostar: since production budget is not unlimited, it seems almost certain we will see both this ship and the Dauntless back in S2. The latter ship may well be the one Gwyn will end up with, possibly with Tysess in command (or at least present in the same capacity as he was in S1). Alternatively, it could be an identical sister ship if the Dauntless itself needs more than a month of repairs (but it didn't seem to be damaged that terribly).
Which would leave the production version of the Protostar as the likely vessel Janeway will use to get Chakotay. The small crew of such a ship also means that animation remains manageable.
As to how Janeway knows that it is an alternate future: for me it's simple, both the Diviner and Ascencia have been changing the recent past and the present, so the future has changed already. And since Janeway is living in the present, she can confidently state that the Diviner's origin lies in a future that won't come to pass in exactly that fashion, due to his own actions.
Prodigy did something no ST show to date has done, with the partial exception of DS9 and maybe Enterprise: tie together a coherent, largely serialised story told over 20 episodes and stick the landing. The structure of the season is far more important than a single episode, in such a system. It's far easier to make a single episode finale that's narratively largely unconnected to other episodes.
Ascencia's plan, as she executed it (while gloating with her grand communication in S1e19), was crazy if she really thought that would stop Starfleet. The Diviner seemed to have a more realistic idea of what was needed, as he felt the Construct needed someone to steer it to be effective, and he saw Gwyn as his back-up. It would have required multiple years of zapping around with the Protodrive, and striking Starfleet again and again, to do what they wanted to do. Not like Ascencia did, calling it quits after one effort.
It did seem strange though that Janeway seemed to all lump them under non-Federation citizens. But Zero and Jankom should at least get Federation citizenship because their races are members at the moment (if Zero already wasn't a Fed citizen when abducted) (at least I think the Medusans are a member) and one would think they would look for Rok's parents. The latter was just swept under the rug for now, we still don't know how she ended up in that arena.
As for Gwyn starting the civil war: I know there are a number of people here who like Predestination paradoxes, but I don't see the appeal in general (too "fate" driven, people seem to have no agency) and especially not for a children/family show with a positive message. You don't want to show Gwyn as the person who unwittedly is the cause of the civil war: it's not a Greek tragedy (I think).
And you want even less that the message of the show would be that Gwyn should even actively work toward civil war, because "it has to happen" as a predestination paradox (because I think it often seems to work that way in movies/novels/series that use such paradoxes: somehow characters actively work toward the outcome that should be inevitable anyway). No party involved (Gwyn, starfleet, the order, the regular Vau N'akat) wants the Diviner's future to happen; there is every reason to work toward a better outcome. And we want our protagonists to succeed in the end, don't we? Certainly not a show that ends with Gwyn committing or at least contemplating suicide after she realises her intervention is the cause of all the misery to start with. Luckily, it's a children/family show that won't go that far. And the simplest way is to have her finally succeed, after all the difficulties have been dealt with.
I had suspected that holo-Janeway would sacrifice herself (the writers/producers had emphasised that holo-Janeway was a fully developed character and that she would take surprising decisions, both good and bad), but that she would hide it from the children (so they couldn't argue and waste time) was extra touching.
I was also surprised that they right away had Janeway fighting, at an official tribunal for the brass no less, for the teens in general and Dal in particular (though we aren't quite through with that storyline yet I think, Janeway no doubt still wants most or all of them to go to the academy one day).
I was even more surprised that Gwyn gets separated from the group. You could see it coming in the scene leading up to the reveal, where they positioned a visibly saddened/melancholic Gwyn clearly apart from the rest and the animation of all the reaction shots was beautifully done. It was no surprise that it was Gwyn and not Dal that was left out, though I like it that Gwyn wants to do this and that Starfleet wants to help her. I just would have thought that Janeway and/or Starfleet would have asked the others to accompany her, so the presence of her "found family" would help her emotionally. Their presence on the mission to rescue Chakotay seems less needed from Starfleet's POV, even though no doubt they will end up playing a major role in it (they are the protagonists, after all).
While I appreciate the sentiment (being a children's show co-financed by Nickolodeon does limit it in some respects), it could also have been a whole lot less. Paramount+ might have made it a live-action show (as cartoons are dismissed out of hand by many adults and even by teens at times), which then risks losing the meticulous planning aspect that is a large part of why this show is as good as it is.
Live action shows can have reshoots and/or their scripts changed at practically the last minute (the infamous copy/paste fleet of Picard S1 apparently is the result of such a last minute change, giving the CGI guys no time to do more than what got on the screen). As an animated show, Prodigy needs to lock its scripts a long time in advance so the CGI production (which does not only do special effects for the show, but all the sets and all the characters have to be generated and you can't do copy/paste there to that extent) can keep up. In turn, this means they have a plan and they have to stick with it.
Moreover, it also means that the message of the show has to be overall positive and so we get that warm fuzzy feeling (that optimistic vibe that was also there on many of the older shows), that is all too often missing from the more cynical live-action shows of this moment (Strange New Worlds admittedly does have that warm fuzzy feeling as well, to some degree).
It also means the show avoids very overt political messages, which is rather a good thing for an ST show IMO.
Both of those are season 2 plot points. We do know Ascencia escaped and I would guess she will retrieve her Rev-## vessel. Expert her back at an opportune moment in S2, to again be a thorn in the side of Starfleet/our 'Protogies'.
And the wormhole is also not something they will resolve in 5 minutes. There will probably be at least an entire episode dedicated to it, apart from the buildup/preparation.
So true. Holo-Janeway is indeed a fully realised character, separate from the vice-admiral, and she sacrificed herself at least partly because she felt guilt over her 'betrayal' under the influence of the Construct. I suspected we would get her back (though a version without her memories of the children) as VA Janeway's upcoming timetravel might bring her to a Protostar on Solum that's not yet been weaponized with the Construct, but now that VA Janeway has taken over her mentor role and a production version of the Protostar is being rolled out, I fear she may be gone for good.After a long string of superbly executed episodes... they stuck the landing.
And holo Janeway followed her rules: her shirt was tucked in, her crew was safe, and she went down with the ship.
And Prodigy did indeed stuck the landing, unlike Discovery S1 and Picard S1 (and no other ST show even tried doing anything remotely serialised in their respective S1s). That's no mean feat for a show that has such a serialised story. You can rewatch the season from the very first episode and be content, knowing the ending holds up and is satisfying after all the downs along the way.
Only thing that I didn't quite like about the finale episode is their arrival at Frisco in the shuttle, as if Jankom has copied Han Solo's come-in-at-lightspeed on a planet's surface manoevre. It may be explained in that tie-in novel, though in the show it's a weird lose end (surely their shuttle, however it go to Earth, would have been intercepted well before it got all the way to Earth's atmosphere).
While I think the back half of season 1 was more uneven than the first 10 episodes (where only ep 7 was a bit less in quality IMO, with the back 10 having ups and downs) and they could have found a better solution for the actions of the Construct (have it talk to Ascencia for instructions), overall the season was beautifully plotted. Also glad that the Construct is now of the table and we get new storylines that are logical continuations of the existing/(partially) closed storylines.
Yes, nicely done to make that connection. While young children may miss it/not understand it, for us it is clear she is primarily talking about her young charges. It's like a mother sacrificing herself so her children can live and prosper.
The producers did say in an interview that they never wanted holo-Janeway to be a static character, and they did more than deliver on that promise.
I also wonder when Gwyn will be reunited with the others. It may last a few episodes, but maybe she will be reunited with them as quickly as she first joined them in the first place, so 5-6 episodes?
There was something in the "Ready room" episode with Ella Purnell and Brett Gray, were they talked about the crew learning to interpret Murf's noises. It was talked about as if they would happen during episodes 11-20, but I can't think of any scene that would fit (it was said that Dal would try and convince the others that Murf was supporting whatever he wanted to happen). So, this is probably something from S2 (the voice-acting is done rather well in advance!). Since Ella Purnell implied that Gwyn would also attempt to decipher what Murf is saying, I guess she can't stay away from the group for very long.
As for the crew of Voyager, one of the producers did say that 2 more actors from the classis series would join in season 2. Only 2 we could say, if we would expect much of the original crew of Voyager to join Janeway (granted, someone like Naomi Wildman probably doesn't count because it doesn't involve a main actor).
The question is: who? Would a well known Starfleet face (or even 2) join Janeway on a rescue mission to the future, and maybe Gwyn would also get a special guest star to help her (can we think of a first contact specialist, or infiltration specialist, from one of the other shows, of which the actor/actress might be available? Troi maybe?).
Re:Ascencia, apparently that is her real name (at least, the Diviner does continue to use that name while they are on the bridge of the Protostar in S1e19), which makes it less likely she impersonated a "real" Ascencia. Given the Vau N'akat considerable prowess with computers and hacking, I'd guess she fabricated herself a nice backstory and a commission as a new crewmember for the Dauntless.
As for keeping herself completely distant - largely I think, though she didn't kill on the Dauntless while taking over the transport room and she also seemed strangely careful while moving Janeway's unconscious body. She may have had a little slice of respect for the admiral, somewhere. She was obviously still willing to kill everybody on the Dauntless, but doing it directly by her own hand may have been difficult even for her.
Good question about Murf. Starfleet apparently knows what a "Mellanoid slime worm" is, but the name doesn't seem to cover what it actually is.
Regarding stealing the ship: while it was salvage rather than stealing, and they were giving the ship back anyway, here is a potential base for a "headcanon" explanation:
-we don't know if the "crimes" read are for all of the 'Protogies' at once. Stealing a starship is a valid accusation for Gwyn, as she attempted to claim the Protostar for her father, when she already knew it belonged to the Federation. As far as we know, being complicit in slavery is also on the list of accusations (though it's also possible Starfleet would hush that up deliberately, on a public meeting at least).
-technically, the crew did have the opportunity to give the ship back at Denaxi depot, and they failed to do so. That they were all panicking may not be seen as a sufficient excuse (before VA Janeway's speech, anyway)
In the same vein, things may be a bit more complicated than they seem at the surface. It's obvious that Gwyn and Janeway/Starfleet had talked before the verdict of the tribunal was delivered, and she likely knew at least the gist of what Janeway would tell the others. Would it be too cynical of me to suggest that Starfleet wanted to have means to pressure Gwyn in case she would not cooperate, and thus they waited to sound the "all clear" (and to get a compromise regarding entry into Starfleet which allows them to dance around the Dal issue for the time being, while making sure they don't lose those promising "prodigies") until it was clear she was on the same page and willing to be subject to a Starfleet mission commander for Solum? After what happened with the Construct, Starfleet has reason to do something about the Vau N'akat and they know they need Gwyn's cooperation for that (because they have a born infiltrator for Solum, who can approach the Vau N'akat without breaking the Prime Directive). While it was very likely she would be more than happy to cooperate, the Starfleet brass doesn't know her and probably realises her loyalties could be divided.
Anyway, it is clear that Gwyn wants this herself, too, though I can't imagine she would have been happy that the others were not allowed to join her (I don't understand what the in-universe reason for that would be, though in the context of writing the show I can see TPTB wanting to create room for Gwyn to have a separate storyline, at least until the inevitable reunion)
Regarding the production version of the Protostar: since production budget is not unlimited, it seems almost certain we will see both this ship and the Dauntless back in S2. The latter ship may well be the one Gwyn will end up with, possibly with Tysess in command (or at least present in the same capacity as he was in S1). Alternatively, it could be an identical sister ship if the Dauntless itself needs more than a month of repairs (but it didn't seem to be damaged that terribly).
Which would leave the production version of the Protostar as the likely vessel Janeway will use to get Chakotay. The small crew of such a ship also means that animation remains manageable.
As to how Janeway knows that it is an alternate future: for me it's simple, both the Diviner and Ascencia have been changing the recent past and the present, so the future has changed already. And since Janeway is living in the present, she can confidently state that the Diviner's origin lies in a future that won't come to pass in exactly that fashion, due to his own actions.
That Ascencia left the Protostar (and did not kill the crew) was a strange decision for her, but it was made in S1e19. Anyway, when talking structure S1e19 and S1e20 were really one episode and seen as one, their structure is fine for me.
Prodigy did something no ST show to date has done, with the partial exception of DS9 and maybe Enterprise: tie together a coherent, largely serialised story told over 20 episodes and stick the landing. The structure of the season is far more important than a single episode, in such a system. It's far easier to make a single episode finale that's narratively largely unconnected to other episodes.
Ascencia's plan, as she executed it (while gloating with her grand communication in S1e19), was crazy if she really thought that would stop Starfleet. The Diviner seemed to have a more realistic idea of what was needed, as he felt the Construct needed someone to steer it to be effective, and he saw Gwyn as his back-up. It would have required multiple years of zapping around with the Protodrive, and striking Starfleet again and again, to do what they wanted to do. Not like Ascencia did, calling it quits after one effort.
They are officially 'warrant officers in training', so enlisted like O'Brien. It seems to me that this is a placeholder while they evaluate the kids, let them age a bit and try to think their way around the augment problem. I'm sure Starfleet wants to get especially Rok and Gwyn into Starfleet (and out of the hands of other organisations with potential interest) and that Federation geneticists are secretly salivating over Dal. Best to make sure they are all tied to Starfleet.
It did seem strange though that Janeway seemed to all lump them under non-Federation citizens. But Zero and Jankom should at least get Federation citizenship because their races are members at the moment (if Zero already wasn't a Fed citizen when abducted) (at least I think the Medusans are a member) and one would think they would look for Rok's parents. The latter was just swept under the rug for now, we still don't know how she ended up in that arena.
I agree, a long-distance, very fast explorer for the Delta Quadrant. Voyager would be a very fitting name. It could be the ship Janeway will use, though I suppose she could also use the Dauntless (or the Voyager - A if it is not the Protostar-class ship).
Agreed. I would even say the best first season of any Trek show, period (I'm not the biggest fan of TOS' cheesiness). And the best arc-based storytelling of any Trek show, even including DS9 to my taste (as DS9 never committed to story arcs to quite this degree, though the Dominion war arc was good overall).
Agreed on the shuttle, so apparently the answer will be in tie-in media.
As for Gwyn starting the civil war: I know there are a number of people here who like Predestination paradoxes, but I don't see the appeal in general (too "fate" driven, people seem to have no agency) and especially not for a children/family show with a positive message. You don't want to show Gwyn as the person who unwittedly is the cause of the civil war: it's not a Greek tragedy (I think).
And you want even less that the message of the show would be that Gwyn should even actively work toward civil war, because "it has to happen" as a predestination paradox (because I think it often seems to work that way in movies/novels/series that use such paradoxes: somehow characters actively work toward the outcome that should be inevitable anyway). No party involved (Gwyn, starfleet, the order, the regular Vau N'akat) wants the Diviner's future to happen; there is every reason to work toward a better outcome. And we want our protagonists to succeed in the end, don't we? Certainly not a show that ends with Gwyn committing or at least contemplating suicide after she realises her intervention is the cause of all the misery to start with. Luckily, it's a children/family show that won't go that far. And the simplest way is to have her finally succeed, after all the difficulties have been dealt with.
That's not quite the same, as Rikers' Titan (as shown in Lower Decks) actually seems more advanced than the Titan-A which seems a redress of the Constition class (complete with old style phasers). And there is no reason why the original Titan could not still have been in service. Voyager as a museum ship seems completely believable, given its historical journey.
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Trekcore earlier this year had an interview with the Hagemans and Hibon, and this was an answer regarding S2 legacy characters:
KEVIN HAGEMAN: It’s not Picard. [Laughs] But it’s not just one, but two pretty big characters are coming back — and they’re not from the same Star Trek show. And Chakotay isn’t who I’m talking about.
This seemingly makes it unlikely that a large part of the Voyager cast would be back, with Chakotay and Janeway already there we would have at best one more "pretty big" character from Voyager. Someone like Wildman is not a big character and could be included, but characters like Tuvok, Paris, The Doctor and so on probably fall under that umbrella.
Link: https://blog.trekcore.com/2022/10/i...n-and-ben-hibon-on-star-trek-prodigys-return/
Voyager is a museum now according to the show creators. So it's retired, no longer in service.
He never gave an estimate of years, he just said it's been in service for a while
Terry said the Titan-A is a 25th Century ship built with 25th Century technology, it's just inspired by 23rd Century aesthetics. You can see phaser strips on the saucer along side the movie phasers.
It's also not a modified Constitution Refit Class, it's based off the Shangri-La class fan design that Terry was very fond of. The original Shangri-La Class will also be shown representing 23rd Century USS Titan in the ready room of the Titan-A.
Terry also said the Luna-Class Titan went through a lot and had to be retired.
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Unless it was destroyed like the Enterprise D.
The secret one.
Lucas in 1999 said that Star Wars is a children's serial. So, he apparently bought the marketing department's BS.
Kes is back with the Ocampa (but not sure about Jennifer Lien's availability. I think she may have retired from acting - but who knows) - someone else might lend their voice for Kes who can emulate her convincingly... it wouldn't be the first time someone else was replaced as an animated character voice, but the voice itself remained the same.
Sure, SF has both the Slipstream and the Protodrive to get them to Ocampa homeworld fast, but Kes was rather aged by the time Fury came about (although given her abilities have advanced way beyond what the Ocampa with Suspiria achieved, its possible she simply de-aged herself to a younger version and radically extended her lifespan compared to what even Tannis could do - she'd be 12 years old by 2383 - younger than Tannis).
I wouldn't know if Kes qualifies as a 'major' character though... but it would certainly be nice to see her again.
As for who the other two major characters could be... I'm surprised no one mentioned Torres.
Tuvok seems like a possible candidate along with Torres.... maybe the Doctor.
I don't think Seven will be present seeing how she's being featured on ST: Pic... but I suppose its possible.
Kim and Paris are possible.
Paris may be on tour in the Federation (like we saw on LD) already, so if that's the case... ooh... Neelix?
The way the Enterprise-D was destroyed was ridiculous enough when it happened on-screen. I love the Sovereign-class, prefer its design to the Galaxy-class in many ways, but goddamn if it wasn't so dramatically unsatisfying after seven seasons of TNG, and being by some margin the Enterprise with the most screen time, for the D to get sucker punched so it could just be replaced with something more... "cinematic".
This is the option that makes the most sense to me. Voyager-A being a Protostar-class doesn't sit right, like the Enterprise-E having turned out to be Defiant-class* or an Intrepid-class... it doesn't feel like the right lineage. And of course the show is Prodigy, not Protostar.
* Yes, I know, Shatnerverse novels...
Well, I wouldn't try too hard to interpret off-the-cuff word choice as being formal, but 'major' is relative. I would say anyone who was an opening credits cast member of one of the shows qualifies.
Well, Prodigy has shown that a cartoon aimed at young people doesn't have to be dumbed down, can be beautifully animated and scored, and espouse positive messages while telling a coherent story. The Janeway hologram sacrifice was touching, and the Measure of a Man-like defense of the augment along with the rest of the gang was poignant and well handled. Another nice nickname to go along with the Vindicator and Deviner in the Unifier too. Indeed well thought out, plotted and executed, and I can't wait for season two. Finally, this shows that Section 31 could be done on an animated basis with Michelle Yeoh doing the voiceovers if she's unavailable for a live-action series...
Especially his confident look right before, when she said look at him
About 25k at least, worse than Wolf 359!
It's right here on page 1
Though the type 6 and 11 didn't have the same nacelles as the D and E.
I'm hoping one of them is Bashir, if only so Dal can have some perspective on the experience of an augment in Starfleet from someone's who dealing/has dealt with with that same issue.
Especially if Janeway’s line about ‘bigger plans’ is about the Voyager-A. She dismissed the new Protostar Class in that scene as being that.
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