Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x20 - "Supernova, Part 2"

[David cgc]

one question i have is how their shuttlepod (which was missing half its systems) made it to earth from Gamma Sepentus (about 37 lightyears from earth) without a navigation system., why it is surrounded by a bunch of debris, and how did the kids survive in that tiny shuttle with barely any room and no supplies for a month?
to be honest it feels like they should have gone for "a few days later" instead of "one month later", and set the armada stuff in the Sol system.

i guess it is possible they salvaged parts off the wrecked ships to jury rig a nav system.. but the "one month later" thing is still kinda iffy feeling.

There's going to be a tie-in novel about their trip from wherever they were marooned to Earth.

Yeah that's a pretty obvious paradox, unless Gwen is really willing to sacrifice her existence for her people.

Star Trek rarely goes by Back-to-the-Future rules, and IIRC, it's set up as an exception when they do (the weird planet from "Children of Time," for instance). Offhand, O'Brien was replaced by himself from an alternate future after his present self died, Nero and his ship weren't affected no matter how much he diverted history away from what he remembered, Admiral Janeway and her future technology continued existing even after she went back in time and began changing history immediately...

 

[Fateor]

Also the risk of creating a supernova might limit its widespread use.

That was only if they purposefully overloaded the core to destroy the ship.

Also logically speaking Starfleet wouldn't have ever used such a system as a drive if there wasn't an easy way to prevent such a discharge from occurring. So the realistic answer here is that there was such a system and either the kids/hologram just didn't know about it, or the weapon sabotaged it.

 

[thribs]

Yeah that's a pretty obvious paradox, unless Gwen is really willing to sacrifice her existence for her people.

But her sacrifice wouldn’t achieve anything. If she was to vanish, then the timeline wouldn’t be changed and she would be created anyway.

 

[Macintosh]

IIRC, Enterprise-A was originally the USS Yorktown, but rechristened Enterprise (A) because of Kirk & Company saving the universe (yet again).

I believe that was Roddenberry's preferred explanation, and of course it ties back into his original treatment for Star Trek where the ship was called Yorktown; Mr Scott's Guide gives its name as Ti-Ho instead, which is a bloody stupid name and so I choose to ignore it

 

[jackoverfull]

A good ending to what turned out to be a fantastic season, even if I feel it loses a bit of steam in respect of the previous episode.
I wasn’t expecting Holo-Janeway to die but it makes sense in retrospect and it made for a very touching moment. Also, that’s quite a body count for a series marketed for children, we’re probably looking at thousands of dead!

So the six of them stayed in that shuttle with no facilities for a month?

Also, what’s up with the editing? It’s often been erratic on Prodigy, but many sudden cuts in this episode are baffling.

All in all I still liked it and am curious to where they’ll next season. 8.

 

[fireproof78]

So the six of them stayed in that shuttle with no facilities for a month?

Transporter.

Also, that’s quite a body count for a series marketed for children, we’re probably looking at thousands of dead!

George Lucas: Star Wars is for kids.
Also George Lucas: "Millions of voices cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced."

 

[jackoverfull]

Would SF even allow Janeway to go get Chakotay from the future? If he’s somewhere in the future they generally frown on anything time travel related. I Wonder if the DTI makes an appearance next season.

Chakotay is in an alternate timeline anyway, as long as they stay away from federation space they’ll be fine.

I can't wait for season 2, although I'll miss Hologram Janeway and the Protostar.

they still exist…a younger version of them do, anyway!

 

[David cgc]

Here's my beef with this:
How do they know the future in which Chakotay is in is in fact 'alternate'?

Quantum signature?

 

[Tuskin38]

I believe that was Roddenberry's preferred explanation

He 'reportedly' said it, but there's no proof.

 

[AnimationAdmiral]

Yeah that's a pretty obvious paradox, unless Gwen is really willing to sacrifice her existence for her people.

I believe in “Parallels” and in ENT’s temporal cold wars, it was established that Starfleet has ways of detecting alternate and parallel timelines / quantum realities that co-exist alongside the prime universe.

Also, the fact that the past has already changed substantially from the one The Diviner came from, but Chakotay’s future timeline is sending messages still, logically means it is an independent alternate future that deviates from the prime timeline’s future.

 

[thribs]

Chakotay is on the same alternate future Discovery is in. A true nightmare.

 

[Deks]

Quantum signature?

A quantum signature relates to a universe/reality, not timeline... although time travel can create alternate realities (like its evidenced by the Kelvin movies).

Again, on Prodigy, its never elaborated HOW they know the anomaly leads to an alternate future. VA Janeway first made the assumption in her Instagram log... and it was repeated here in the final episode by the Vulcan briefing officer... but again, we are given 0 information as to how they arrived at this conclusion, or that its correct.

Its still possible this whole thing is a predestination paradox, and Chakotay ended up in the actual future that is going to happen.

 

[Macintosh]

He 'reportedly' said it, but there's no proof.

Well, even if he did spray paint it across the Paramount Studios parking lot and take photos, it's still not canon if it doesn't appear on screen But it still works for me until we get a better explanation.

 

[JoseNoodles]

Nothing says she has to vanish. Yesterday's Enterprise Tasha didn't vanish when she went back in time.

I guess that's why they call where Chakotay is stranded an alternate timeline, since he wouldn't still be there if it were part of the main timeline.

 

[Deks]

Star Trek follows the "durable timeline" rule. A butterfly flaps its wings and... nothing happens.

This isn't the case always. We have seen on Enterprise that changing things in the past (such as removing Archer from the timeline) can destroy the future.

Nothing says she has to vanish. Yesterday's Enterprise Tasha didn't vanish when she went back in time.

That was probably a temporal paradox of sorts mixed with a predestination paradox and because of something, it enabled alternate Tasha Yar to not disappear. Perhaps going through the anomaly itself insulated her from changes in the timeline... just enough to survive a temporal reset and become integrated in the prime timeline.

Its basically akin to what happened in Picard S2.
The Borg Queen from the Confederacy timeline survived too and left to do her 'good assimilating' which resulted in the Jurati Borg Queen at the end of S2... but in the end, it looks like what happened in Pic S2 was basically a predestination paradox.

 

[Deks]

I guess that's why they call where Chakotay is stranded an alternate timeline, since he wouldn't still be there if it were part of the main timeline.

It can all still be a predestination paradox... so nothing anyone does in the 'present' would affect Solum's future because its part of the regular timeline as is and is meant to happen.

 

[Amaris]

A terrific season finale.

I'm sad Gwyn's gone, hopefully she'll be back soon. Glad to see we're all going on an adventure with the real Janeway, not to take away from holo-Janeway's sacrifice. It was all very well done.

 

[cooleddie74]

I won't be shocked if their new starship is named U.S.S. Voyager NCC-74656-A.

 

[Deks]

I believe in “Parallels” and in ENT’s temporal cold wars, it was established that Starfleet has ways of detecting alternate and parallel timelines / quantum realities that co-exist alongside the prime universe.

Starfleet from the 29th and 31st century has those capabilities... not the Starfleet of the late 24th century (which is when Prodigy takes place).

Also, the fact that the past has already changed substantially from the one The Diviner came from, but Chakotay’s future timeline is sending messages still, logically means it is an independent alternate future that deviates from the prime timeline’s future.

Begging your pardon but we don't know the past changed from the one which the Diviner came from at all because the Vau'N'A'Kat would have no way of determining that (Starfleet of the late 24th century included).
It wouldn't be the first time people made assumptions and ended up dead wrong about something being predestination paradox, and their actions (whatever was done just lead to the same conclusion - a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts - and predestination paradoxes).

VA Janeway was the first to say to the kids (in episode 18) that she made quite a lot of assumptions about them, all of which turned out wrong.
Its not impossible that Starfleet (and VA Janeway) thinking the future in which Chakotay is in as 'alternate' is also wrong.

For all we know, everything that happened has happened in the future where Solum had its civil war and its meant to happen... aka, its a predestination paradox and everything we see is part of the paradox itself.
The construct attacking and destroying all those SF ships, kids getting into Starfleet and Gwyn leaving for Solum to try and unify it... all of that could still be part of the timeline as it happened.

In all honesty, we won't know if the future in which Chakotay is in is in fact alternate or part of the prime timeline until next season (or whenever the Solum storyline concludes).

 

[valkyrie013]

That was a good ending, gave it time to tie up loose edges .
Glad to see VA Janeway is the lead next season. Hope they keep the andorian first officer and the tellerite doc.

Chackotay may be have traveled to a different universe altogether not the future of the prime universe through that wormhole.

Also, crews had plenty of time to abandon ship. So I doubt the body count was that high. Though ship loss was high.