Spoilers Star Trek Picard Season 2 Hopes and Predictions

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  1. fireproof78

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    Doesn't change how it is regarded in the community. In my opinion it is one of the lesser TNG outings because of the hype and the Borg.
    They took on more of a persona as the two parter went on and 8472 was definitely a villain, not just antagonistic towards the heroes.
    I disagree with this read entirely but that's just my view. Madred is definitely defeated, at least to me.
    I guess so, but that doesn't make him less of a villain in the course of the episode, even if he is a reluctant one at that. Again, the beauty of Trek is the ability to have villains and invariably have the potential of making the allies, at the very least.

    It's not a requirement, per se, but it isn't a bad thing with Trek either.
     
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    Tomalak was indeed in the episode. The late, great Andreas Katsulas! He was more of a cameo but a charming one nonetheless.

    As for the rest of your points, I feel these episodes undoubtedly all had antagonistic forces in them, which I thought was the original point being made. Whether or not they fit the archetypal villain role seems irrelevant.

    All Good Things wouldn't be half as entertaining or memorable for me if it didn't have Q being an insufferable dickbag for the majority of it. Whether or not the Romulan Commander is noble doesn't change the fact that he works as a dangerous foil for Kirk.
     
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    Here's my thing and why Trek works for me. Trek doesn't always bend to the archetypes. It is not always "good vs. evil" (thus distinguishing from SW greatly) and allows for characters to become better, to "evolve" to borrow TNG phrasing. Kor probably wasn't set up to a bit of a foil but he is portrayed heavily in a villain archetype. Except, instead of being defeated there is this narrative opening created for him to become an ally.

    That's why I think villains in Trek are not often considered as such, but they serve that role in the story, only to become much more in later stories.
     
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    I do think we'd have had a stronger antagonist if they'd combined Narek and Narissa's roles into a single character, ditched the discount Lannister vibes, and just given us a Zhat Vash true believer who did terrible things in the name of their cause, but developed feelings for Soji despite their convictions.
     
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    My original point was Trek doesn't require antagonists to create excellent episodes. Indeed, most of my favorite episodes of Trek lack identifiable antagonists. But of course not all antagonists are villains. Someone like Nechayev was clearly intended as a dramatic antagonist - going in and creating conflict with the established cast. Even when the conflict was more open, generally speaking the antagonist was shown not as someone who wanted to "do evil" so much as someone who had their own goals which came into conflict with the mission the crew set out on.

    But this is is a place where Picard (and Discovery, TBH) have fallen down quite a bit. They have had shitty antagonists which come across more as cliched villains than has typically been the case in TV Trek. I make the TV Trek qualifier because movie Trek has been in this rut forever, due to attempting to recreate TWOK. Sybok was the last non-villain antagonist, and Chang was the last villain who was actually portrayed with any significant nuance.
     
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    I won't argue with that.

    I simply prefer them.
     
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    From what I heard, there was a scene in the season finale where he was handed over to Federation custody, but was deleted. According to SPS, he is not part of the cast for S2 and is not expected to return.
     
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    I kinda feel like Harry Traadaway was done wrong by Picard. I've found him a talented actor in other things. They just didn't give him much of anything to work with this season.
     
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    1. Given what happened to Picard, I'm going to assume the second season will deal with the definition of personhood.

    2. I think La Serina will be part of the Fenris Rangers.

    3. I'd like to see all the ways the Fenris Rangers are differentiated from Starfleet.

    4. I want to see more of the relationship between the Federation and the Romulan Free State. I expect what happened with Oh infiltrating Starfleet will be a major point of friction.

    5. I hope Raffi makes some progress in trying to reach out to her son or anyone else in her family.

    6. I hope that it's explained that Jurati killing Maddox was Oh-influenced and that she wasn't in control of her actions.

    7. They dodged any mention of Beverly Crusher during the first season. Everyone else from TNG was referenced, so she's conspicuous by her lack of mention. There's a story there. I wonder how much of the "All Good Things" version of the future came to pass (or not) in this regard, and I hope they show it.

    8. I hope they show what Soji wants to do with her life and how she comes to terms with the fact that the entire first three years of her existence was a lie.

    9. Just because Starfleet lifted the ban on Synths, doesn't mean Picard and Starfleet are on the same page again. I'd like to see how they drift further and further apart.

    10. If there's a drift, I hope this potentially complicates things for Riker or Janeway (or whoever else) if they want to help Picard but they're hands are tied or if they don't know how much they can agree with him.

    11. Yes, I'll be more surprised than not if we don't see Janeway at some point. Maybe not Season 2, but somewhere down the line.

    12. The story with the Zhat Vash isn't done.

    13. Neither are the Borg or Ex-Bs.
     
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  10. Kzinti

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    i just want more seven and less of ''chabon mysticism'' eg:the golem stuff and please stop wasting the amazing cast and do something worthwhile with them
     
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    Chabon is out as showrunner (Terry Matalas is now in charge).
     
  12. Saul

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    I hope they retool the show and undo and drop some of the stuff and characters from season 1. I want Hugh to be revived by his dormant Borg nanites and join the crew as a regular. I want the Borg to become a problem. I want Geordi to show up on the USS Challenger for a few episodes.
     
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    i'm still upset about that it was such a terrible pointless scene such a good actor wasted on nothing :censored:

    edit: man i thought i was over being highly disappointed by picard but i guess I'm not :weep:
     
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  14. Anduinel

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    Picard is a weird show for me, ngl. I feel like I either love most of the choices the creatives made or absolutely hate them, very little middle ground.