Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Tuskin38, Sep 28, 2019.
Terry was surprised by the announcement, so I guess nothing in it was passed by him first.
How do people feel about the Wesley cameo?
I was super happy to hear it had happened, because I like Wheaton a lot. However I felt underwhelmed as he only interacted with Kore. I feel the character deserved a scene or two to interact with Picard, much as Riker had in Season 1... It felt... eh... tacked on I'd say.
Other finale thoughts:
It sort of all crashes together finally and mostly satisfies.
1) The Q/Picard scenes. I love watching these two together and the meta is strong here.
2) Rios's storyline. I feel like a dick because I can never remember the Doctors' name when I post, but she's a good character and the romance + payoff work.
3) The Picard/Laris scene at the end is lovely.
4) Seven and Raffi finally seem like a healthy couple who actually like each other.
5) Jurati Queen and the Borg Cooperative.
1) The Wesley scene. So random. I've nothing against the character at all, but it wasn't even slightly foreshadowed. Anyone not necessarily steeped in TNG must find this show generally bewildering, but to the casual viewer he's just some guy that shows up. We should have had Picard in the scene too to a) contextualise Wesley and b) have a chance to put Picard and Wesley face to face all these years later.
I suppose at least Wheaton getting finally sidelined and undersold is consistent with TNG.
2) The Soong/Kore plot. It doesn't help at all that Kore is an analog of two other characters the actor has played across the last 20 episodes. Lab created person who discovers their life is a lie and a Soong was behind it all. I'm not into Brent Spiner 1990s Bond Villain theatrics at all.
Still though, good. A good season. I do think of all the Trek since Discovery, Picard is my least favourite. My wife is a very casual Star Trek fan and there's no way she could get through Season 1 or 2 without me having to explain a lot about what's what and who's who. It's the most fannish of the new Treks I guess. Still, it has it's pleasures and I'm really looking forward to Season 3.
Mirror Kirk. Shatner.
Covid restrictions probably kept Wesley and Picard from reuniting.
I think in the long run the weird tangents taken with PIC are more suited to Star Trek or we end up with Wikipedia entries played out in live action like with S1 of The Book Of Boba Fett (where the main character suddenly seemed far too much of a trusting, naive, and dependent fool to serve formulaic plotting).
I loved the Wesley scene. For a often maligned character (I was 7 or 8 when I first saw next gen, so I loved Wesley - a slightly older super geeky awkward kid) to be shown to be thriving in the life he chose was awesome. So much better than the cutting room floor debacle of Nemesis.
Plus it opens up the possibility, with him essentially being the Trek version of a Time Lord, for him to turn up in any other show. It would be great to have a Wesley 2-parter in Disco (in my head where their every storyline isn’t season spanning).
Btw, are the Borg an actual full member of the Federation now? Like are we gonna see Borg crew members on Starfleet ships and all that? Or are they just simply Federation members in the sense that they are gonna guard the entrance to that new anomaly to protect the Federation but will still keep to themselves?
In the sense we'll likely never hear from them again.
It basically explains the "far future" stuff in Lower Decks' Miles O'Brien gag where there are Borg schoolchildren along with humans and Ferengi.
A section of the Borg are allies or budding members of the UFP - they're as separate from the Borg Collective as the Tok'Ra and Free Jaffa are from the Gou'ald Empire.
Is there confirmation from the top about that? Because my reading is that Q's last snap would have merged the Borg and ensured Jurati was the Queen.
My head canon is that it would've erased all Borg events in the galaxy at that point, Q's powers were dissolving at that point, and there may be multiple Queens amongst the Borg.
EDIT - it'll be funner to have multiple Borg polities as their main Collective/Empire collapses.
Jurati's Legion is separate from the main collective, like Lore's lost drones were
I'll be damned lol. All this time I thought the entire Borg Collective turned good.
And in "Unity" we had other XB renegades (plus XBs on that android planet).
I think that Jurati's Borg should be it's own thing with a Queen.
I kind of hope that it's a way of resetting The Borg to what they were before First Contact - without a queen or leadership, just a pure collective driven by knowledge and order.
We're going to see a sickbay in Season 3
Q barely had the power to transport 3 of them back to the present and the effort killed him, I doubt he had anything to do with that. And Jurati Queen was already there in Episode 1.
Anyways while he didn't directly say it, the showrunner retweeted a post from someone theorizing that they were co-existing.
Mostly that, with the Queens in the grand scheme of things almost as expendable and replaceable as the drones, with their own memories, personalities, and victimised alter egos.
Interview with Dave Blass
The far superior PIC makeup for Andorians and Orions (from Facebook)
I prefer the Discovery and Enterprise makeup for the Andorians.
Also I think their antennae are turned the wrong way.
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