"Survival Instinct" (VOY).
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"Survival Instinct" (VOY).
Word from twitter is that careful examination of the Queen's cube in the finale shows it to be composed of many normal sized cubes.(not necessarily evenly stacked, some are). Kind of like the old Armada fusion cube, but much larger. Would explain the beams inside and the empty space. The Enterprise D was flying through the uneven space between cubes the queen smashed together.
Matalas said the conduit was misdirection from the queen. To pull attention to a crisis there to distract from her real plan. Per his comments today, he didn't write Season 2, but he did help with story and "Star Trek" stuff in general, so we don't really know if that's a retcon or not of something Akiva Goldsman came up with. We'll likely never know.
But as of now, the Borg put that conduit up and nothing was ever going to come through.
I just watched Transfiguration as of today (TNG Season 3). Geordi speaks of the alien ship as just as capable as the Enterprise-D. He specifically mentions "just as manueverable", which given the conversation he probably means in the positive, rather than negative sense.
This really shouldn't ben surprising. Among the fastest, most maneuverable ships in the US Navy are aircraft carriers because of their nuclear reactors powerful and huge propulsion. They can turn on a (relative) dime and are so fast that designing smaller ships that keep up with it at maximum speed (which is classified) has been the 50 year challenge.
Likewise with the most powerful warp engine engine of its era and space for large and powerful fusion reactors, it would have been a severe design flaw if the Galaxy class wasn't highly maneuverable.All that energy has to go somewhere.
If we need another real world example in 3D space, the B-2 bomber fits the bill. It's a massive flying wing with 4 powerful engines. It is inherently unstable and unrestricted, it would absurdly maneuverable. It would be so maneuverable it would tear itself apart. It's flight control system is entirely computer driven to limit overstressing the fame. The two times that failed, it led to serious accidents, including the destruction of one of them.
That the Galaxy class is huge should have no bearing on its maneuverability so long as has enough power and capable thrusters. And it does.
I think PIC S2 pretty much answered that the Borg essentially exist to fill the queen's need to avoid being alone. A bit cheesy but I thought it was a clever idea.
If there's no Queen for a cube to link back to, why would the cube's mini-collective not also fall apart?
With the Hive mind intact, yes... with a smaller micro collective? They can't adapt or regenerate as fast or as easily (all of their abilities would be drastically limited - especially if they lost the ability to use their nanoprobes) - making them far easier pickings.
Maybe, but then again, maybe not.
Even if the artifact was potentially connected to another Borg ship or two (in the relative immediate vicinity galactically speaking), their collective will would be extremely limited in contrast to when the Borg were at their strogest.
We don't know the specifics of what transpired, but given that the Borg were in a highly weakened state, this kind of signal damaging the Artifact and shutting it down would not be unprecedented.
But that classifies as a 'micro collective' in that case. At any rate, a Borg ship separated from the rest of the Hive or even being connected to a stray sphere or scout ship would still be FAR weaker compared to a Borg cube connected to the larger Hive.
The larger collective Hive has been mostly wiped out by the pathogen... the stray ships which escaped the pathogen suffered damage in the process and probably huddled together to keep a micro collective going between themselves, and went into sleep mode instead.
It would still make them very easy pickings for other species who either wanted revenge on the Borg, or were just in the process of fighting back
nobody is saying the opposite, but this proves that the Borg were still active in some fashion after the virus. Weakened? Sure. Fragmented? Quite probably. Finished? Definitely not. Are they finished now? I wouldn’t count on it. But they will be a much smaller threat and will likely act differently.
Depends.
It could be that sans the Queen's last supercube, most others (at least those that were left) were effectively dealt with by other species. So, by the time this Queen has now been destroyed, there might not be any more 'original borg' (even in microcolectives) left.
For all we know, the Artifact was the last remaining cube that managed to escape destruction which ensued from Endgame events, but because it was so far away from the original Unimatrix, and it went into sleep mode until it was found by Prodigies... and then after that, it became the Artifact.
The Queen's ability to connect to other Borg ships was also disrupted by the Pathogen.
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That triad collective was, as they put it, a voice in one ear while the Borg Collective was a voice in the other. They escaped, but because of that triad connection, as soon as it was severed they only got to live a few weeks.
Additionally, in "Descent, Part ll", Hugh mentioned some Borg simply shut themselves off once severed... essentially committing suicide. The Borg Collective consciousness is like a drug addiction, in thst sense... Seven said to One (in "DRONE") that the allure of that voice is powerful. (Given how the Great Link seems to cause a similar reaction when linking, it looks like the franchise views all hive mind/collective consciousness being akin to a drug.)
That tells me that it is quite possible that many Borg would have died once their connection to the Collective was severed.
this is just speculation. We don’t know the state of the Borg after Picard, although it’s safe to assume they are far from being as strong as they were.
On the other hand, many more adapted. Even Seven once she was cut off from the collective was still totally functional abs working to reunite with it.
One of the writers also said that the Borg Queen's ship was supposed to come through the conduit and destroy the Jurati borg, but they decided against it because it might feel like they were erasing or stomping over season 2 (forgot his exact words but that was the gist of it).
When it comes to the conduit and the Jurati borg what exactly are they doing? Just near the conduit scanning it indefinitely? Are they actually offering any kind of protection or are they just there? When Picard found out the Borg were involved was there a reason the Jurati borg could not be contacted for assistance? Why did no one think of the possibility that the Jurati borg were lying to them and that maybe they were involved with the plan ? Why did Beverly say it had been 10 years since the borg had been heard from if the Jurati borg is also borg?
You're overthinking this in attempting to describe something as more utilitarian than it is. The Queen isn't an expendable AI.
Anyone else still happy about the D being back? I have to admit I'm super happy still. Yeah the star drive is not the original but the saucer is. I hope we get to see that beauty again. Would have been fun to see her in the year she got to be in service again.
I am happy because destroying the Enterprise-D served no purpose beyond Rick Berman wanting a new ship.
The loss of the Enterprise in TSFS made sense. She was obsolete, clearly not in good shape after TWOK and was crippled, far from the fleet and had a (normally severely inferior) fully armed and capable Klingon ship staring her down, there was realistically nothing that could be done
The loss of the Enterprise in TSFS made sense. She was obsolete, clearly not in good shape after TWOK and was crippled, far from the fleet and had a (normally severely inferior) fully armed and capable Klingon ship staring her down, there was realistically nothing that could be done
What a beautiful new ship it was though.
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