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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

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Yes, but they weren't going that fast relatively speaking when they came out of slipstream. It didn't impact the planet at slipstream speeds. Which is probably just as well for the planet.
I'd expect that you go back to whatever relative velocity you had before entering warp or slipstream. These FTL drives don't actually accelerate the ship.
 
I mean, sure, but those mini-collectives always break down after a while. So while there might be some Borg ships out there in hibernation that could reawaken and function for a while, eventually they won't be able to connect to the Queen and they'll break down. Unless new information gets established in a future installment, it does very much appear that the Borg are done as a major state-level threat, even if the intermittent risk remains of isolated cubes that haven't broken down yet.

I sincerely hope the Borg are done for good.
 
All depends on the speed the ship is going when it hits the atmosphere and secondly the angle of descent. The E-D saucers 'angle of attack' for example is barely a degree over horizontal so it's arguable how much damage it would actually sustain when it made contact with the ground. We have to remember too that these starships are made of ficticious ultra-strong, exotic metallic alloys and polymers e.g. Duratanium, and I believe Adamantium is also mentioned (yes from X-men!) Density as it pertains to objects like a starship is only measured via exterior/interior volume and material density and we don't know the density of these materials. And furthermore the E-D saucer was less dense than Voyager because of its cavernous main shuttlebay (that we never saw onscreen) so 4 million tons is probably an overestimate. The E-D crash looks way more grounded in reality than the Voyager crash, it's angle of impact is way too high. Every single crew member would be a splat of vicera on a wall as soon as the hull hit the ice shelf. Good god they would need insanely powerful intertial dampeners to even have a prayer of survival. BTW just a side note but it makes zero sense in ST 2009 when Sulu forgets to engage the 'external intertial dampener' since going to warp is not the same as conventional acceleration in a vacuum. It's the space that is expanding and contracting around the ship itself.
 
The Borg are a surprisingly simple enemy in the grand scheme of Trek. Hive mind, powerful ships, very clearly flawed despite their need for perfection. While I enjoyed first contact, the sudden presence of a Borg 'queen' ruined the original idea of the borg being a true hive mind and what it became i.e a Nazi authoritarian cyborg race. It would have been a cool idea to do a borg origin story that many have wanted for a long time. Personally I don't subscribe to the V'ger theory but I'd be interested to hear other theories. I liked my Borg mysterious.
 
There is a theory out there the Borg created the queen after becoming so big they needed a central being to bring order to chaos. Over time, the queen developed a sense of individuality with her own motivations from the collective. The queen's a controversial addition, but I think the theory helps explain why she's running around like Davros while also still being about assimilation.
 
That equation is for total relativistic energy. There is no such thing as relativistic mass. As I said, that’s a misunderstanding / misinterpretation of special relativity. The mass is the mass, and it is a Lorentz invariant quantity. Specifically, it is the length of the energy-momentum four vector:

m^2 = E^2 - p^2

This relation is true in any reference frame (I.e. it constrains what values the relativistic energy E and relativistic momentum p can take on).

anyway, tldr. Trust me! :beer:

Rest mass is constant, yes. And yes, that is the total relativistic energy. But mass and energy are equivalent. So, relativistic energy is equivalent to "relativistic mass". So as an object approaches the speed of light, we can think of the relativistic energy as "mass" that is increasing.
 
not normally functionally, as they could no longer use nanoprobes to assimilate, but functional for sure.

Limitedly functional at best.

Exactly. Therefore thinking that this was all that remained of the collective seems preposterous to me.

Maybe not.
Remember that the Borg were scattered throughout the Milky Way (with almost none in the AQ) and the pathogen destroyed the Unicomplex, the Queen and most of Borg infrastructure.
Most of the Borg were destroyed likely with the Unicomplex with the rest being scattered around in ships... which probably met their doom the closer they were to the location of the Unicomplex in the DQ (relatively speaking)

There's also the fact that the TW network was obliterated. How many Borg ships were in transit while the network was collapsing?

The rest of the borg ships (if some survived the chaos and the pathogen - which would only happen randomly) would be easy pickings for other species.
Without the Hive to help them out, their regeneration and adaptation capabilities would be much lower.... so I'd imagine most of the Borg ships that did manage to survive the pathogen (at least those that DID survive it) were picked off by other species who gladly took the advantage.

the artifact assimilating Romulans was likely a product of when the Prodigies prompted the vessel to get out of sleep mode... they encountered the Romulans in an attempt to add 'fresh blood', but instead assimilated a rather potent AI signal which ened up shuttling down the cube (to which the already damaged cube probably succumbed without the assistance of the larger whole).
 
When we see the Enterprise-D saucer crashing in Star Trek: Generations or Voyager crashing in VOY: "Timeless" they move much more like present-day aircraft than we might expect. Partly this is due to "reality would look unrealistic" – people are used to seeing what aircraft look like when they land/crash, but not giant spacecraft many times the size and mass of today's largest ocean-going vessels. The Enterprise-D saucer is over five times the length of a Boeing 747 which means her glide speed just before she hits the ground is terrifyingly high (something like 800km/h-1,000km/h) – and assuming she's the same density as Voyager she weighs an eye-watering 4 million tons:

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Voyager
's larger than a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier and weighs 700,000 tons, and yet it skids across that glacier like a Cessna overshooting a runway:

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To be blunt, there's no way these ships could move this way if they weren't subspace-fielding/inertial-damping to shit and negating a lot of their momentum/inertia – and certainly there's no way there'd have been any survivors from the Enterprise-D crash. So we've already seen evidence that these massive spacecraft can move like comparatively small aircraft under certain circumstances, and do tremendous force negation even when they're under extreme duress.
The Galaxy Class Saucer is also a very large "Lifting Body", so even if it's Anti-Grav Repulsor drive wasn't fully operational or partially operational, the way it glided is very similar to a "Lifting Body". So natural Lift should've helped to some degree for the Saucer section.

I sincerely hope the Borg are done for good.
At least the Cybernetic Assimilating Zombie version of the Borg should be gone.

If a new Borg should arrive, their MO (Modus Operandi) should be different.
We saw bits of it when the Borg Queen chose eradication over assimilation.

There is a theory out there the Borg created the queen after becoming so big they needed a central being to bring order to chaos. Over time, the queen developed a sense of individuality with her own motivations from the collective. The queen's a controversial addition, but I think the theory helps explain why she's running around like Davros while also still being about assimilation.
I think the Queen is the personification of the Core AI that runs "The Borg".
The Queen isn't absolutely necessary, but as a seperate Process from the Core AI to run things locally and accomplish goals.

Killing the Queen is largely meaningless because the Core AI can always spawn another Queen.
 
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The Borg are a surprisingly simple enemy in the grand scheme of Trek. Hive mind, powerful ships, very clearly flawed despite their need for perfection. While I enjoyed first contact, the sudden presence of a Borg 'queen' ruined the original idea of the borg being a true hive mind and what it became i.e a Nazi authoritarian cyborg race. It would have been a cool idea to do a borg origin story that many have wanted for a long time. Personally I don't subscribe to the V'ger theory but I'd be interested to hear other theories. I liked my Borg mysterious.

Yes i agree. The borg in their original inception seemed more menacing. A seemingly unstoppable force with no emotion or ambition beyond consumption. The borg queen brought the emotion, ambition and need to conquer.
 
The rest of the borg ships (if some survived the chaos and the pathogen - which would only happen randomly) would be easy pickings for other species.
Even a single ship is hardly “easy pickings”: it takes dozens of federation ships to bring it down.
the artifact assimilating Romulans was likely a product of when the Prodigies prompted the vessel to get out of sleep mode... they encountered the Romulans in an attempt to add 'fresh blood', but instead assimilated a rather potent AI signal which ened up shuttling down the cube (to which the already damaged cube probably succumbed without the assistance of the larger whole
Actually in season one they explicitly state that the when the artifact is infected by the admonition stuff it is severed *from the collective* to prevent damaging the other Borg, therefore some sort of collective that went further a single ship still existed.
 
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