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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

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Kinda fitting that the Borg were introduced with the Enterprise-D and her crew and the Borg were finally fully defeated with the Enterprise-D and her crew.

Janeway got her mortal wound in with the pathogen and destroying the transwarp hub.
 
Other than LaForge ( who has a leg up) I don't even recall their names. I guess Esmar is one? But which one?
Yeah, I don't get why people think the Titan bridge crew was better established. I've seen each episode at least twice and aside from LaForge, I think of them as the Bajoran dude with a kid, the bald Vulcan lady and the little alien gal. I assume Esmar is one of the latter two.

It's also sort of funny to me, because in TNG they had a recurring character at Conn for nearly 50 episodes and nobody gave a shit about her, and I doubt most people could even remember her name without a trip to Memory Alpha.
 
Saw this on Twitter.
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uh.....

It's kinda not wrong.




Yeah there's been comments that they were waiting for her to shoot force lightning out of hands lol

My contribution?

Queen- WE ARE BORG!

Picard- And I....am all of Starfleet!
 
How can any officer on the ship not be under the CO or XO's heirarchy?
Possible confusion here. A staff officer is not eligible to move in the chain of command. The Senior Medical Officer cannot become the CO. However, they are legally under the CO and XO's authority regarding the course of their duties aboard ship.

That's the only distinction I can think of.
 
The Queens appearance in this is inspired by H R Giger, not Star Wars
You Ninja'd me. Yes, the look of the Borg and their sets, especially in this episode if not also all of the others, owes an incredible debt to Geiger's work, both within and outside that for Alien.

Concerning the blue glow in the comparison between the Borg Queen and the resurrected Emperor, well, a lot of movie color theory these days involves the two-color palette of orange and teal. We're looking at the teal end here. So, shrug.
 
What a mammoth thread.

Came in here now to leave my two cents, that I haven’t seen mentioned yet.

I think the red door Jack was seeing was a thinly veiled metaphor for Jupiter’s Great Red Spot and the transwarp conduit being the gateway to the Borg.
We should have all seen it coming. ;)

And Captain Seven and Raffi as her XO is basically like Captain Mercer and Commander Grayson except Raffi didn’t sleep with a Deltan (that we know of) to cause the split.
What’s the objection? They worked great together.
 
What a mammoth thread.

Came in here now to leave my two cents, that I haven’t seen mentioned yet.

I think the red door Jack was seeing was a thinly veiled metaphor for Jupiter’s Great Red Spot and the transwarp conduit being the gateway to the Borg.
We should have all seen it coming. ;)

And Captain Seven and Raffi as her XO is basically like Captain Mercer and Commander Grayson except Raffi didn’t sleep with a Deltan (that we know of) to cause the split.
What’s the objection? They worked great together.
We are supposed to hate Raffi. Didn't you get the memo?
 
She was arguably Voyager’s unofficial science officer for a good number of years.

Also, Starfleet is probably suffering from a HUGE manpower shortage in the aftermath of this attack. A large number of senior officers were murdered by their Borgified crew, and there’s probably a significant amount of junior officers that are so traumatized by the experience of being mentally raped and forced to kill that they may have resigned their commission.

So both Seven’s promotion and the fast tracking of Jack’s training makes sense in context.
I don’t buy that manpower shortage. Starfleet has postings on multiple planets and I doubt that was every ship in the fleet. They would have way more shops out there than what we saw.
 
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I don’t but that manpower shortage. Starfleet has postings on multiple planets and I doubt that was every ship in the fleet. They would have way more shops out there than what we saw.

This.
The fleet at Earth would have (in-universe at least) been a fairly small one... something you might expect to see closest to any UFP member planet at any given time.

In short, it was arelatively small contingent of vessels that was able to attend Frontier Day.
Otherwise, it makes no sense this was the whole SF from the entire Federation because they have diplomatic missions, deep space explorations, border patrol, etc. happening at any given time.

Over 150 member planets spread across 8000 ly's (and 1 Trillion lifeforms in the Federation) and this is supposed to be their entire SF armada?
Nope... it makes sense it was just the one closest to Earth... there were FAR more SF ships in the battle which retook DS9 (about 600 - meanwhile, the Frontier Day fleet in SOL may have contained about 50+ ships total if the diagram we saw was accurate - just under 60 ships).

Also, the Borg signal was only permeating through SOL... not the Federation at large. So any other SF ship which might approach Earth could have been endangered even if they removed their younger crewmen from the ships as the Fleet Formation program would have coopted their systems (though, since its software, why can't they just switch that particular system off?).

The UFP is HUGE... even with 0.5 % of people in SF, you'd have millions of SF personnell per planet (not counting tens or hundreds of thousands of HUGE starbases like the one in SOL, millions of ships and even more outposts - anything less and they'd have issues with having TOO MUCH personnel with 0.5% of people in the Federation serving in SF - that means that EACH UFP member system would have comparable amount of ship construction facilities and infrastructure like Utopia Planitia - that's how you get that many ships and how you can service all of them - and given levels of automation and replicators, a lot of upgrades can be done in the field - except maybe hull and infrastrucutre 'refresh' if the strain was too large as this kind of job might be a bit energy intensive to pull off in the field - still doable if you park a ship in an uninhabited star system, use solar power for replicators, transporters and all the drones, then yeah - but this would mainly apply for ships in deep space with no quick access to a starbase).

Yeah but my point is that the F was slated for decommissioning because the writers decided that, not for any other tangible reason. They could've shown the E instead, and end the show with the launch of the F.

Honestly, with all the Sovereign classes in the fleet we saw, there would have been no need to retire the E even.
Just upgrade it, refresh it's infrastructure with replicators and transporters, and keep it running for another 100 odd years.
This frequent change in ships (for no good reason) just doesn't make sense in-universe wise.
 
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Annika being captain of the Enterprise is very JJ like. She’s only been a Starfleet officer for a year. :)
she's not exactly a shavetail. she served for years in a uncomissioned capacity on Voyager, and has plenty of applicable experience from her time in the Fenris Rangers, which is analogous to Maquis being being given commissions. If you're looking for low hanging fruit to complain about, this ain't really it.
 
Over 150 member planets spread across 8000 ly's (and 1 Trillion lifeforms in the Federation) and this is supposed to be their entire SF armada?
Nope... it makes sense it was just the one closest to Earth... there were FAR more SF ships in the battle which retook DS9 (about 600 - meanwhile, the Frontier Day fleet in SOL may have contained about 50+ ships total if the diagram we saw was accurate - just under 60 ships).

600 StarShips should be a "rounding error" to the entire StarFleet Armada IMO.
 
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