Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

[shyborg]

So in the AMA Matalas responded to a question about Jack meeting Wesley:
https://www.reddit.com/r/television.../?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

I wish they had found a way to actually write something in.

I think what has made me become a bigger fan of Riker is because they've let Frakes imbue a bit of himself into the role. Within reason, I would like to see Wil do the same thing for Wesley. Then setup Wesley as bit of a antagonist to Q. But I would want the travelers to handle the Qs like experienced parents. They know the Qs can be difficult or chaotic. So rather than clash with them, the Travelers work subtly rather than make it harder on themselves

 

[shyborg]

I could see the name change from Titan to Enterprise being a public relations move.

The people’s confidence in Starfleet had to have plummeted to zero after an incident where not only was Starfleet a moment away from murdering everyone on Earth, but before that the entire organization was compromised by shapeshifters.

So Starfleet puts the one crew responsible that was able to offer some resistance in the battle together with the most famous name in Starfleet’s history as a way to restore confidence.

Also, if Utopia Planitia is still destroyed, Starfleet’s ability to rebuild the fleet and crank out new ships has probably been severely reduced.

Also, Seven is the face of a "good" Borg which would help stem some of the mistreatments of XBs and show folks they can overcome Borg-level threats

 

[Bad Thoughts]

No. It was quite clearly established in TNG "Chain of Command, Part I," when Jellico ordered Troi to wear a regular uniform, that the ship's counselor answers to the captain of the ship. (Yes, that was an order.) It makes sense that the chain of command places everyone stationed aboard a ship under the captain.

Incorrect. Jellico demands she wears a uniform on the bridge. The CO controls who has access to sensitive areas and how, as was established in Ultimate Computer. This is standard in the real world.

Eta: besides, the medical corps doesn't take commands from the CO when it comes to doing their job. As in the real world, Starfleet Medical is its own entity from the regular command structure.

 

[Lord Garth]

The other one that got me was Geordi referring to the E-D as “analog”.

I blame the Universal Translator working on overdrive, for our benefit.

 

[jackoverfull]

there is no dramatic tension between the two,

uhm, I know several couples that would offer plenty of dramatic tension in a series.

I also have to point out that a ship whose commanding officers used to be in a relationship has been the setup of the Orville from day one.

 

[Tuskin38]

I agree. Starfleet has erased the Titan from history.

No it hasn't.

The other one that got me was Geordi referring to the E-D as “analog”.

It's an analogy.

 

[137th Gebirg]

^^^ I see what you did there.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I remember AirTran. Always feared for my life because of Valujet. But hey, I’m still here.

Gotta love those pesky engines falling off mid-flight.

 

[fireproof78]

Gotta love those pesky engines falling off mid-flight.

My favorite announcement. Thankfully my only experience with that was on the ground.

 

[Lord Garth]

Really if we switch the centuries but keep the years, the Enterprise-D was a ship from "1964" saving the day in "2001", when ships apparently have the shelf life of cars and are put out to pasture after about 10 or so years.

In that context, what everyone says in the episode about the Enterprise-D makes sense. I can see what they were going for.

It's like Geordi restored a '64 Mustang.

 

[cooleddie74]

The classic Red Mustang shows up to save the day when the fleet of PT Cruisers and Chevy Corsicas run into trouble!

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

As far as some of the criticisms of Raffi being Seven's first officer and how that shouldn't happen given their prior relationship .... there's no indication in prior canon that Starfleet has the same fraternization rules that the US Military enforces.

• Going back to TNG, Riker is over Troi as the executive officer of the Enterprise, even though they've had a prior, very serious relationship.
• The same thing goes for the Decker-Ilia relationship in The Motion Picture. If Kirk doesn't assume command of the ship, Ilia would would have been a member of the Enterprise's senior staff, with her former boyfriend/lover (Decker) being her commanding officer.
• Although never made explicit, I always took Deanna's position on the bridge of the Titan in Lower Decks as implying she's part of the senior staff, and may serve the same advisory "I feel deception" when communicating with an alien race role on the bridge under her husband's command.
• Starfleet sends the husband-wife team of Worf and Jadzia on a mission. However, that incident in Deep Space Nine is arguably evidence for why it's not a good idea, since Worf abandons the mission to save Dax, with Sisko implying the decision might be a permanent stain on his record.

Additionally, don't they mention there being no regulation against it in TNG "Lessons" when Picard briefly dates a crew member?

 

[JoeZhang]

PICARD: Sit down, Counsellor. I want to talk to you about a matter of protocol. I know there are no Starfleet regulations about a Captain becoming involved with a fellow officer

CANON.

 

[Racefuel]

It appears the Enterprise D did one final year in service between the destruction of the Cube and her shut down at the museum.

it makes sense given the losses incurred at space dock.

That does warm my heart a bit. My hope is that Riker got his chance to command her in that year

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Incorrect. Jellico demands she wears a uniform on the bridge. The CO controls who has access to sensitive areas and how, as was established in Ultimate Computer. This is standard in the real world.

Eta: besides, the medical corps doesn't take commands from the CO when it comes to doing their job. As in the real world, Starfleet Medical is its own entity from the regular command structure.

Sorry, no. From Shipboard Medical Procedures Manual, Department of the Navy (October 21, 2005) [https://www.med.navy.mil/Portals/62... CNAF 6000 1.pdf?ver=pjBcLncgSHWao4GTpaNz9A==]:

2104. CHAIN OF COMMAND. Medical Department ADCON/OPCON relationships clearly follow those of the ship. In addition, there is medical advisory support through the TYCOM and COMFLTFORCOM/COMPACFLT. Even when the reporting chain is through another operational commander, it is advisable to inform Force Medical, as this affords them an opportunity to anticipate the need for support/advice.

[...]

4103. DUTIES, COGNIZANCE AND QUALIFICATIONS

a. Senior Medical Officer (SMO). The head of the Medical Department aboard an aircraft carrier is required to be both a Medical Corps Officer and a designated Naval Flight Surgeon. It is preferable that the SMO has completed a residency in aerospace medicine. The SMO is required to hold an active staff appointment with clinical privileges in primary care medicine, operational medicine, and either flight surgery or aerospace medicine. In addition to those general duties prescribed by Navy Regulations for a Head of Department, the SMO shall be responsible for maintaining the health of the crew, conducting inspections incident thereto and advising the Commanding Officer as to the hygiene, habitability, sanitation and safety matters within his purview which affect the command. He shall additionally be responsible for the administrative and material readiness of the Medical Department. The Senior Medical Officer reports to the Commanding Officer in matters related to the health or well being of the crew, keeping the Executive Officer appropriately informed. The SMO reports to the Executive Officer in matters related to the administration of the Medical Department and to the embarked Flag or Chief of Staff in medical matters of Flag cognizance. The SMO directly supervises the Ship’s Nurse, General Medical Officer, Medical Administrative Officer, Physician Assistant, Ship's Surgeon, Anesthesiologist/CRNA, Clinical Psychologist, Physical Therapist, Radiation Health Officer, Leading Chief Petty Officer, and Air Wing Flight Surgeons (when embarked). [Etc.]

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[TRON JA307020]

It appears the Enterprise D did one final year in service between the destruction of the Cube and her shut down at the museum.

it makes sense given the losses incurred at space dock.

That does warm my heart a bit. My hope is that Riker got his chance to command her in that year

Yes it looks like she did. She deserved it as she only got 7 years. Kind of wished they would have recommisioned her for a bit longer and to give her a few missions with Riker. Would have been fun to see. But she did go out proud. Cool thing is when we watch TNG now we can all be comforted by the fact that she did indeed survive.

 

[Racefuel]

Yes it looks like she did. She deserved it as she only got 7 years. Kind of wished they would have recommisioned her for a bit longer and to give her a few missions with Riker. Would have been fun to see. But she did go out proud. Cool thing is when we watch TNG now we can all be comforted by the fact that she did indeed survive.

This is my exact takeaway also. Maybe Jon Frakes would be willing to do an animated short Trek of that missing year, but it not that is okay also.

My two favorite Enterprises rest in the museum, and that is good enough for me

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Sorry, no. From Shipboard Medical Procedures Manual, Department of the Navy (October 21, 2005) [https://www.med.navy.mil/Portals/62/Documents/NMFA/NMCPHC/root/Preventive Medicine/Shipboard Medical Procedures CNAF 6000 1.pdf?ver=pjBcLncgSHWao4GTpaNz9A==]:

2104. CHAIN OF COMMAND. Medical Department ADCON/OPCON relationships clearly follow those of the ship. In addition, there is medical advisory support through the TYCOM and COMFLTFORCOM/COMPACFLT. Even when the reporting chain is through another operational commander, it is advisable to inform Force Medical, as this affords them an opportunity to anticipate the need for support/advice.

[...]

4103. DUTIES, COGNIZANCE AND QUALIFICATIONS

a. Senior Medical Officer (SMO). The head of the Medical Department aboard an aircraft carrier is required to be both a Medical Corps Officer and a designated Naval Flight Surgeon. It is preferable that the SMO has completed a residency in aerospace medicine. The SMO is required to hold an active staff appointment with clinical privileges in primary care medicine, operational medicine, and either flight surgery or aerospace medicine. In addition to those general duties prescribed by Navy Regulations for a Head of Department, the SMO shall be responsible for maintaining the health of the crew, conducting inspections incident thereto and advising the Commanding Officer as to the hygiene, habitability, sanitation and safety matters within his purview which affect the command. He shall additionally be responsible for the administrative and material readiness of the Medical Department. The Senior Medical Officer reports to the Commanding Officer in matters related to the health or well being of the crew, keeping the Executive Officer appropriately informed. The SMO reports to the Executive Officer in matters related to the administration of the Medical Department and to the embarked Flag or Chief of Staff in medical matters of Flag cognizance. The SMO directly supervises the Ship’s Nurse, General Medical Officer, Medical Administrative Officer, Physician Assistant, Ship's Surgeon, Anesthesiologist/CRNA, Clinical Psychologist, Physical Therapist, Radiation Health Officer, Leading Chief Petty Officer, and Air Wing Flight Surgeons (when embarked). [Etc.]

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You need to read more on the subject. The physicians and lawyers the military employees interact with command leadership in ways different from the average enlisted, NCOs and officers. The fact that there are specific reporting procedures does not put those "professionals" in the direct command hierarchy. Moreover, the regulations that would allow for some relationships to occur, for instance on a base, don't apply on a ship, where they would be prohibited. I am trying to find a charitable interpretation from real life, where there were people who work in different departments whose relationships might be tolerated

 

[CorporalCaptain]

You need to read more on the subject. The physicians and lawyers the military employees interact with command leadership in ways different from the average enlisted, NCOs and officers. The fact that there are specific reporting procedures does not put those "professionals" in the direct command hierarchy.

Uh-huh.

 

[Akiraprise]

the F and D are both extant and operational, and even better designs. I'd have wanted to see more of the F after this -- in fact, since Picard and Discovery are both on their last season, they could do a spinoff with the F.

I'd assume that the Enterprise-D was pressed back into full time service for at least a year based on the ending we saw at the fleet museum. The massive losses the fleet sustained would likely necessitate this. A relatively fully functional Galaxy class starship is nothing to sneeze at. The F looked like it took some damage and it was slated for decommissioning anyway. I'm sure the D was used in relief and repair efforts. Who knows we might get some tie-in novel or comic showcasing some missions.