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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

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While not to go terribly OT..I will say a big part of the Bill Shatner perception is because Takei has been able to largely control the narrative.

Yes he has an ego, of course he would...but so does Takei
I'm a Shatner fan all the way. Always have been, always will.

IIRC, there was an interview that he did with Walter Koenig (part of a series he did, interviewing famous people - Mind Meld, maybe?) around the time the latter also started publicly attacking the former out of the blue. I never saw it, and wanted to badly, but I recall reading that the first words out of Shatner's mouth was, "Walter! WTF?" Walter supposedly immediately acquiesced and admitted that Takei pressured him into shit-talking Bill. Not long after apparently regretted getting involved with the decades-long feud and came clean about it.

Before this, I was willing to give Takei a minimal benefit of the doubt, as Shatner was always known to be quite self-absorbed, particularly early on in his career. No more. If he's willing to manipulate his former co-workers in order to keep his own image in the public spotlight of relevance for whatever agenda he has, I have no time for that petty childish BS. I still would like to see the episode some time to ascertain definitively what was said, but it definitely sounded like some underhanded shit going on.

I greatly credit Nichelle Nichols for having the courage to slap some sense into Bill when he was writing his first "Star Trek Memories" book - the infamous "But wait, don't you want to hear about why everyone hates you?" exchange, right as he was getting up to leave her portion of the interview. That was a pivotal shatter-point in Bill's life. It could be argued that it was BS that he never realized how people truly felt about him. That may be of some concern, but IMO that's irrelevant now. Since that time, he has bent over backwards to try to make things right with his old cast members. Most who had issues with him have forgiven him that I'm aware of. Even Doohan, on his deathbed, was said to have buried the hatchet. There was even a point, to my recollection, that even Takei was said to have finally accepted the millionth apology. Yet he still seems unsatisfied, harboring the same tired old grievances, and continues to stoke the flames. Meh... tired of hearing about it. Bill's done his penance. To his own statements during an interview about his upcoming documentary, "You Can Call Me Bill", it's obvious he's not long for this life. Let him finish up his life and career in peace, with honor and dignity, FFS!
 
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Took me a second to realise this must be a typo!

For me, the lighting on this show was very poor, it legit looked like a video game at time, especially the publicity shot of Shaw. But worth it for what they did spend on instead!
:lol: Fixed
 
Shows like Discovery and SNW have roughly the same budget, but the money goes further because they're shit in Canada. You can actually see the difference in how great they look.

Took me a second to realise this must be a typo!

For me, the lighting on this show was very poor, it legit looked like a video game at time, especially the publicity shot of Shaw. But worth it for what they did spend on instead!

Hahahaha!!! Reading it, the typo is so funny.

What are the budgets for each series, they look incredible from the clips I'd seen and just watching PICARD?
 
USS Picard would have worked better. Or, make an Enterprise class, and have each ship named for one the of the crew they want to honour.

I loved series 3, but this one thing really makes no sense to me.
This. Either of these things are what they really should have done, though I lean towards the latter. Unless Starfleet is planning on building another Titan, they've sort of engaged in an unintentional erasure of the history of ships named Titan.
 
To his own statements during an interview about his upcoming documentary, "You Can Call Me Bill", it's obvious he's not long for this life. Let him finish up his life and career in peace, with honor and dignity, FFS!

He's an elder and should be respected and honored as such. He's a human and has had his failings, but I refuse to let another self-absorbed egoist (Georgi Takei) to sour the reputation of Shatner simply out of petty spite and the fact that the only thing that is seemingly keeping Takei in the Star Trek orbit is his resentment towards Shatner.
 
Action was never the strength of TNG.

It always felt a bit awkward and often forced.

The Enterprise itself, and Starfleet ships in general, don’t look right engaged in high maneuver action sequences.

The cast is also not well suited to action.

For 40 minutes the Picard season 3 finale delivers some of the dumbest pulpiest action schlock you’ll see. It went full on JJ Abrams.

The writers don’t seem too interested in science fiction. The trashy sci-fi elements of the show are meant to advance the plot, bring back the original cast, and give them their ‘happily ever after’ moment.

While there was silly episodes and melodrama in TNG, the show had themes of secular humanism, reason and science. Picard leans more heavily on emotion and sentimentalities; delivered in a CGI orgy of contemporary sci-fi action and drama.

Like all of modern Star Trek the show was little more than a vehicle for nostalgia. What’s supposed to be a vast expansive galaxy is made to feel like it exists in a closet. The more we keep bumping into characters we’ve seen before, the smaller the galaxy feels.

If season 3 of Picard is the best modern Star Trek can do, then the franchise is truly dead.

Hard pass on “Terry Trek” for me.
 
The writers don’t seem too interested in science fiction. The trashy sci-fi elements of the show are meant to advance the plot, bring back the original cast, and give them their ‘happily ever after’ moment.
Yes. Exactly that.

If season 3 of Picard is the best modern Star Trek can do, then the franchise is truly dead.
It's never truly dead as long as remember it.

Oh, wait, all my VHS have been wiped out by Terry and Kurtzman! Bastards!
 
Action was never the strength of TNG.

It always felt a bit awkward and often forced.

The Enterprise itself, and Starfleet ships in general, don’t look right engaged in high maneuver action sequences.

The cast is also not well suited to action.

For 40 minutes the Picard season 3 finale delivers some of the dumbest pulpiest action schlock you’ll see. It went full on JJ Abrams.

The writers don’t seem too interested in science fiction. The trashy sci-fi elements of the show are meant to advance the plot, bring back the original cast, and give them their ‘happily ever after’ moment.

While there was silly episodes and melodrama in TNG, the show had themes of secular humanism, reason and science. Picard leans more heavily on emotion and sentimentalities; delivered in a CGI orgy of contemporary sci-fi action and drama.

Like all of modern Star Trek the show was a vehicle for nostalgia. What’s supposed to be a vast expansive galaxy is made to feel like it exists in a closet. The more we keep bumping into characters we’ve seen before, the smaller the galaxy feels.

If season 3 of Picard is the best modern Star Trek can do, then the franchise is truly dead.

Hard pass on “Terry Trek” for me.
Season 1 (and 2) were higher concept "sci-fi". Also didn't rely on the TNG crutch.

But...to be contrary, the franchise has never been more alive.
 
Season 3 was just the final, sentimental sendoff to the TNG cast and era.

Stop trying to make it the be-all end all of star trek, claiming it is the best modern Trek can do.

Give it a rest, stop with the skin deep ragebait brain download from people on youtube.

The *actual* "future" of Trek is the series like SNW, SFA and such..that is where Trek is going. This was a farewell, let it be the farewell and move the fuck on
 
Question: if Data is so adept as piloting the ship, why was he not the helmsman from Day 1? :lol:
Also...how messed up was it for Beverly to be the one who fires the weapons that they believe will kill her son and Picard? You could have at least done it for her, Geordi.
 
Question: if Data is so adept as piloting the ship, why was he not the helmsman from Day 1? :lol:
Also...how messed up was it for Beverly to be the one who fires the weapons that they believe will kill her son and Picard? You could have at least done it for her, Geordi.
We're to assume this new more human data, with android capacity has a better mix of instinct and accuracy to be able to do that. I had no problems with it.
 
I wouldn't mind the sentimentality had we not been memberberrying Star Trek to death already for the past decade plus.
 
I don't have a problem with the Titan-A as the Enterprise-G. It's an odd choice but, given such a long line, there are bound to be odd choices somewhere.

I want to see the Enterprise (and whatever letter it's up to) in the Disco Era. The Enterprise-TT? I don't even think I'm exaggerating.
 
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