Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

[XCV330]

Sure that happens in real life. But if it causes adverse events, there are consequences. While Jack may or may not be legally responsible, he is morally culpable.

considering this new version of the federation will have had a sizeable amount of population now suddenly XB's, there will indeed have been people who've walked at least a mile in his shoes, so I doubt anyone would be able to condemn him. It will be hard to have as much ex-borg hatred when there are so many people out there who were infected.

 

[ReddishAlert]

I really liked it. I’m with the poster upthread. The story I cared about were the people more than the mystery box and it was a very satisfying TNG final episode in that way.

If this was the really real end of the Borg then I’m happy they brought them back for the TNG crew to end them once and for all.

Also, I just want to point out, Riker was really great the whole time through. The acting, his scenes, a perfect mix of how he changed and how he was the same. Really liked his whole arc.

But, not to be a Riker fan boy here, but they couldn’t have made him an Admiral finally? Jeez. The disrespect. Hope he shows up in legacy to snap them back like first year cadets!

I for one am glad they didn’t kill any one off. I think it’s a cheap and common way to try to add heft. Maybe this is “nostalgia” but it’s just what I wanted for the TNG crew I grew up with. A chance for them to matter and be together again.

So I’m happy

P.S. Loved Geordi commanding the Enterprise. Old school red shirt Geordi would have been proud of his decisiveness in command. Eat dirt, Lt. Logan!

 

[XCV330]

I am always glad to see Alice Krige do anything. She was fantastic in The OA.

 

[TRON JA307020]

I really liked it. I’m with the poster upthread. The story I cared about were the people more than the mystery box and it was a very satisfying TNG final episode in that way.

If this was the really real end of the Borg then I’m happy they brought them back for the TNG crew to end them once and for all.

Also, I just want to point out, Riker was really great the whole time through. The acting, his scenes, a perfect mix of how he changed and how he was the same. Really liked his whole arc.

But, not to be a Riker fan boy here, but they couldn’t have made him an Admiral finally? Jeez. The disrespect. Hope he shows up in legacy to snap them back like first year cadets!

I for one am glad they didn’t kill any one off. I think it’s a cheap and common way to try to add heft. Maybe this is “nostalgia” but it’s just what I wanted for the TNG crew I grew up with. A chance for them to matter and be together again.

So I’m happy

P.S. Loved Geordi commanding the Enterprise. Old school red shirt Geordi would have been proud of his decisiveness in command. Eat dirt, Lt. Logan!

Yup. I wanted a happy ending for our favorite 24th century crew. It seems some wanted a subvert of their expectations and believed someone should have died. No thanks. Star Wars did it 3 times and it sucked. Glad we got what we wanted.

 

[Lord Garth]

There are only two reasons why I gave this a 9 instead of a 10:

A few things went on too long. But, at the same time, it made me anxious to see how things would turn out. So it was a "problem" that wasn't really a problem at all.

But this one is: Worf's threesome line. I agree with Riker. That was just horrible. That beats out Data's, "And have you noticed how your boobs have started to firm up?" line from Insurrection. If this was supposed to be a homage to the awful humor in the TNG Movies, they "succeeded".

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Starfleet being incompetent and getting pants'd so that the Captain of the Enterprise can save it, is at the very core of Star Trek. It's like half the set ups of the show, and the Evil Admiral trope is usual the reason why.

Also space is big and if you're not looking directly at something, it's easy to miss things. THis came up in TNG a lot in one form or another.

I'm not saying monitor every section of space known to man.

But given that their sensor range can easily span up to "## - ### Light Years" for long range sensors and shorter for Medium and Short range sensors, it probably wouldn't take that many satellites to be parked in GeoStationary Orbit to monitor every major Planetoid and to have sensors to scan everything within your own Star/Solar System.

There's only a finite amount of volume and only so many places you need to scan.

Spoiler: Side Profile of our Star System and it's larger Astronomical structures.

Within our Star System, before you reach the Termination Shock zone and enter the Helisophere, you need to monitor every major Planetoid within it. There's a finite amount of Planetoids and finite volume of space.

With enough Satellite Sensors placed around key areas, you can monitor everything easily, but it takes dedication, upkeep, and a active staff to monitor everything.

Kind of like a Home Security System, but at the Solar System level.

 

[XCV330]

There are only two reasons why I gave this a 9 instead of a 10:

A few things went on too long. But, at the same time, it made me anxious to see how things would turn out. So it was a "problem" that wasn't really a problem at all.

But this one is: Worf's threesome line. I agree with Riker. That was just horrible. That beats out Data's, "And you have noticed how your boobs have started to firm up?" line from Insurrection. If this was supposed to be a homage to the awful humor in the TNG Movies, they "succeeded".

It was an awkward line. And it did drag. I was almost expecting Sam Gamgee to show up and talk about how great strawberries and Rosie Cotton would be, Mr Baggins. The Q thing was odd. They couldn't afford Mulgrew for a cameo but De Lancie might be cheaper? Anyway, despite that. it was fine. I gave it an 8.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm not saying monitor every section of space known to man.

But given that their sensor range can easily span up to "## - ### Light Years" for long range sensors and shorter for Medium and Short range sensors, it probably wouldn't take that many satellites to be parked in GeoStationary Orbit to monitor every major Planetoid and to have sensors to scan everything within your own Star/Solar System.

There's only a finite amount of volume and only so many places you need to scan.

Spoiler: Side Profile of our Star System and it's larger Astronomical structures.

Within our Star System, before you reach the Termination Shock zone and enter the Helisophere, you need to monitor every major Planetoid within it. There's a finite amount of Planetoids and finite volume of space.

With enough Satellite Sensors placed around key areas, you can monitor everything easily, but it takes dedication, upkeep, and a active staff to monitor everything.

Kind of like a Home Security System, but at the Solar System level.

If the drama calls for it it will fail.

 

[The Old Mixer]

It just occurred to me if we had more real life 20 somethings willing to run out and do something as insane as taking down our real world "Borg Queens" it might... I'm not advocating the assassination of anyone, but a quick glance at the news and we all know there are some figures I won't name who really, really, really probably deserve it.

Don't even go near that line.

I am sure that they stole the inspiration for Picard’s speech about surviving the flood and riding the tides from my Star Wars fan fic

That speech was written 400 years before your fan fic.

Julius Caesar (play) - Wikipedia

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The Borg will be back, they always do. And much like Disney will never not have Jedi and Sith, Paramount/CBS will never let the Borg be killed off for good. Kinda takes the entire steam out of gambits like this.

I'm fine with that, but their method of "Assimilation" and turning everybody into Cybernetic Zombies isn't a good long term strategy / game plan / doctrine.

The ability to quickly pro-create and create new members of your species is important.

That's the hard lesson that the Borg didn't learn, and that individuality isn't a weakness, it's actually a strength.

It's like taking a Necromancer's idea of a good society is him at the top and turning everybody he resurrects into his personal Ghoul/Zombie army as a good thing.

Nope, never trust a Necormancer and his/her undead army.

Nothing good can come out of that.

In the end, being so "Linked / Networked" to the point that you can spread a hybrid biological/technological virus across the entire network was their downfall, and you have Future Admiral Janeway's gameplan to thank for that.

The entire arrogance of the Borg was that "Always Being Connected" made you stronger, it also created vulnerabilities that they didn't think people can counter.

Having individuals who are loyal to your Nation State / Organization / Clan / Etc will work better than having a army of Cybernetic Zombies whose original individuality you suppress and take over their mind to do your bidding.

If the Borg are going to come back, it needs to be a completely different mode of operation, a completely different doctrine, and a completely different mentality.

The current method / mentality / doctrine is weak.

 

[Lord Garth]

It was an awkward line. And it did drag. I was almost expecting Sam Gamgee to show up and talk about how great strawberries and Rosie Cotton would be, Mr Baggins. The Q thing was odd. They couldn't afford Mulgrew for a cameo but De Lancie might be cheaper? Anyway, despite that. it was fine. I gave it an 8.

Not having Janeway in the final episode (or at all) was another flaw, after how many times they mentioned her. She should've made at least one appearance. Somehow. But that's more "What I wanted" and I try judge things by what they were instead of what I wanted, so I didn't actually count it against the episode, though I wouldn't blame anyone who did.

 

[KaboomKrusader]

But given that their sensor range can easily span up to "## - ### Light Years" for long range sensors and shorter for Medium and Short range sensors, it probably wouldn't take that many satellites to be parked in GeoStationary Orbit to monitor every major Planetoid and to have sensors to scan everything within your own Star/Solar System.

Not to even mention that Jupiter has its own high-profile major science station, like... right there.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

If the drama calls for it it will fail.

IRL Security Systems can be breached, it can be bypassed.

So yes, if you take enough time to plan for it or use enough brute force, you can get by.

But the point is that it takes alot more resources to do it.

 

[fireproof78]

Nope, never trust a Necormancer and his/her undead army.

Well, I think we can safely say we've all learned something today about necromancy from Star Trek today.

 

[Mr Awe]

This is the happiest of happy endings. There will be no consequences.

Such is the nature of Trek.

Yeah, that is apparently what it is.

Truth is that I'm glad for the happy ending. A nice closure for TNG crew. Buuuuut, if that's what they were aiming for, maybe factor that into in previous events.

But overall, I was entertained and that's all I can hope for.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Not to even mention that Jupiter has its own high-profile major science station, like... right there.

But which side of Jupiter was it located on, is it in GeoStationary Orbit, that'd be the easiest to pull off IMO.
Least Amount of energy needed to be spent to maintain orbit once you are set.

If Jupiter Station was on the other side and didn't notice anything happening on the other side, I wouldn't be surprised that it miss the Borg opening up a Transwarp Conduit into the atmosphere of Jupiter.

Short of monitoring every side of each Planetoid, if you aren't watching for it, you have a very good chance to miss it.

 

[1001001]

I think that was pretty good.

Not great.

The Jack/Borg stuff was meh.

One scene that really got to me was the one with Seven and Tuvok, watching Shaw’s video.

And of course the poker scene. Very sweet.

That had to have been a deliberate Seven/Titan set-up. And I’m all for it.

Not truly great, by far better than the first two finales.

7

 

[fireproof78]

Buuuuut, if that's what they were aiming for, maybe factor that into in previous events.

Unfortunately, very common in Trek. So, you can work with it or let it eat away at you.

IRL Security Systems can be breached, it can be bypassed.

So yes, if you take enough time to plan for it or use enough brute force, you can get by.

But the point is that it takes alot more resources to do it.

This is drama. I won't hold my breath on the resources and planning.

 

[Firebird]

About Laris, it wasn't stated in the Shuttle scene that Picard and Crusher are a couple. People are assuming that, unless I missed an overt line.

Their relationship seemed more friendly coparenting rather than a romantic attachment.

They were seeing off their son to his first day at school, er, Starfleet. A momentous day, even for separated couples.

 

[XCV330]

I'm just going to say it, Ed Speleers is the wish.com James McAvoy. But they both got to work with Alice Krige in a vaguely motherly role and both got to be involved in two different franchises with Sir Pat