Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

[Captain Fine]

Haven't read the thread yet, but I rated it an 8. I would have given it a 9 if not for the G.

What i liked
-I'm ok with everyone living and them saving the day, although they made it a bit too easy that no one actually died
-I was ok with bringing Q back
-I like that Jack admitted to being a nepo baby

What I despised
-it was bad enough they did the Luna-class dirty by turning the Titan into the monstrosity that is the Titan-A. Now they did the F dirty by renaming the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G. My friend put it aptly, G for Garbage. I really don't get what people see in that ship. I hate it with a passion like I never have before for an Enterprise design. At this rate, I'd rather get back to the Enterprise-J as it was a more unique take.

 

[XCV330]

Folks always bring up the Yorktown part is non-canon, even though it it was the intention of the producers, imagined and signed off on by Rodenberry, and included in nearly every bit of licensed work involving the 1701-A in the 21st century. It's a hair away from canon. I consider it canon, but you know Trek fans... very strict about it.

The absolutely canon example of it is, of course, renaming the USS Sao Paulo to USS Defiant in DS9.

If anyone wants a real-world example, the US Navy just renamed the USS Chancellorsville to USS Robert Smalls as part of its effort to remove Confederacy symbols from the US Military. If folks want a TOS / Gene Roddenberry era example, the USS Biddle was renamed in 1964, two years after its commissioning to the USS Claude V. Ricketts. Relevant because of how much Starfleet is based on the USN.

The argument of renaming a ship as against canon is baseless though that hasn't stopped people (as is their way). Furthermore I think that Picard Season 3 being the USS Enterprise-G's origin story is a far better outcome than just having Picard be shown a new Constitution-III class or a new class entirely with the words. It would have felt unearned.

The ex-Titan helped save the Federation. It earned the name Enterprise. Because that's what Enterprises do.

and

she's not the first spaceship named Enterprise to not initially be named Enterprise.
OV-101 was the Constitution for the first two years of her life before the ALT tests. A fan campaign got her renamed to the big E, but they probably should have waited and got a space shuttle that was slated to go to orbit. OV-101 never flew (edit: to space, anyway. she uh.. glided somewhat gracefully a few times).

 

[Scionz]

They could rejoin the action years later and have the Enterprise-G having undergone a major refit that changes the design dramatically. I mean if they can turn the Luna Class into something that looks like the Neo-Constitution, they could turn the Neo-Constitution into something very different too.

I prefer they didn't. The Enterprise D was the Federation flagship. I don't think the E was, but the Sovereign-class was by far the most powerful Federation ship of her time, and she was an early one. It was a class so successful a lot still serve in 2402. The Enterprise-F isn't known to be the flagship for sure, but given that its commander was 5-pip Admiral Shelby and there were only two on-screen Oddseey class ships seen (Enterprise and Hikaru Sulu), it seems probable. So that's 3 super powerful ships.

Before that though?
Well Enterprise-C, as an Ambassador class, was one of the largest Federation ships of her time, but we don't know her power vs her peers, or if she was a flagships.
Enterprise-B as a refit-Excelsior class and not especially powerful. Also not the flagship.
The Constitution-refit 1701-A and original Connie / refit 1701 were not especially powerful ships nor the flagship. But that said, the fleet at the time seemed to consist of mostly Connie/Refit Connies, and their variants (Soyuz, Miranda, Reliant and their predecessors).

I don't think the NCC-1701-G needs to be especially powerful or the flagship or anything. There is something to making it a workhorse ship rather than a "luxury liner", a "flying fortress" or "the flagship of the federation" as the D was exclaimed as. We know by the time it gets to the Enterprise J in the 26th century that the ship classes get colossal again anyway.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The fact that a Borg cube was hiding in Jupiter makes Starfleet seem even more incompetent.

More like they need to monitor their own Star System more closely from now on.

No matter how crazy the idea, with enough tech, it's plausible.

No body ever thought that you could detonate a healthy Star by making it go Super Nova pre-maturely with a bomb on a RunAbout.

But it happened in DS9 when Changeling Bashir attempted it.

Hiding a Borg Transwarp Conduit in the gas giant of Jupiter doesn't sound so far fetched.

I'm just surprised that StarFleet and the UFP doesn't monitor every single major Planetoid in their own Star System more carefully, that means they need to change their security system to monitor everything more closely.

Even their own Planetoids within their own system.

 

[Scionz]

and

she's not the first spaceship named Enterprise to not initially be named Enterprise.
OV-101 was the Constitution for the first two years of her life before the ALT tests. A fan campaign got her renamed to the big E, but they probably should have waited and got a space shuttle that was slated to go to orbit. OV-101 never flew.

How on Earth could I forget that one.

They should have made her space worthy instead of building Endeavor from spares. Oh well.

 

[ichab]

I ended the TNG portion of the finale with a giant smile on my face. Was the episode perfect? No, but I thoroughly enjoyed it! Well done to the cast and crew of Picard. You ended the series on a definite high note.

I loved it too. 9/10. My only gripes about this season is the Borg really seemed to come out of nowhere at the last minute and the changelings all of sudden disappear when it all hits the fan. But an enjoyable episode and season nonetheless.

And I have no idea whether it’s in the plans, but I’m down for a Captain Seven series.

I would be surprised if there wasn't a new series. The very end of that episode seemed clear to me they were setting up a spinoff for the new Enterprise. From keeping Seven's warp command a secret to the last shot of Q telling Jack his adventure has only just begun. That was clearly an appetizer for what is coming next.

 

[XCV330]

How on Earth could I forget that one.

They should have made her space worthy instead of building Endeavor from spares. Oh well.

Enterprise was so overweight that it would have cost more to refit her than to just build a new one from mostly-spares: thus Endeavour. It was looked at. There was another idea to strip her and make her a cargo-only "shuttle-c" variant, but also didn't happen.

 

[Mr Awe]

Picard never did, why would he?

Picard was abducted and assimilated. Jack went voluntarily. In fact, he defied his parents and controlled crewmembers to do so.

I'm not sure if jail is the correct punishment, but surely some consequences.

 

[Scionz]

More like they need to monitor their own Star System more closely from now on.

No matter how crazy the idea, with enough tech, it's plausible.

No body ever thought that you could detonate a healthy Star by making it go Super Nova pre-maturely with a bomb on a RunAbout.

But it happened in DS9 when Changeling Bashir attempted it.

Hiding a Borg Transwarp Conduit in the gas giant of Jupiter doesn't sound so far fetched.

I'm just surprised that StarFleet and the UFP doesn't monitor every single major Planetoid in their own Star System more carefully, that means they need to change their security system to monitor everything more closely.

Even their own Planetoids within their own system.

Starfleet being incompetent and getting pants'd so that the Captain of the Enterprise can save it, is at the very core of Star Trek. It's like half the set ups of the show, and the Evil Admiral trope is usual the reason why.

Also space is big and if you're not looking directly at something, it's easy to miss things. THis came up in TNG a lot in one form or another.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Oh crap. I forgot. The chekov connection. Chekovs so is the president and they named him Anton. Like it but I wish we could have seen Walter play Pavels son rather than just voice him.

 

[fireproof78]

Surprised they kept there powder dry for nearly 20 years with Enterprise names between the C and D

And what's with junking ships after not even 20 years??

Engineers and always changing things.

 

[Scionz]

Picard was abducted and assimilated. Jack went voluntarily. In fact, he defied his parents and controlled crewmembers to do so.

I'm not sure if jail is the correct punishment, but surely some consequences.

Maybe they should waterboard him then airlock him. Maybe they should make him work the mines with the Mark 1 EMHs.

It's not that kind of show. It's not Andor.

Take the happy ending. It's okay to have happy endings.

 

[fireproof78]

Picard was abducted and assimilated. Jack went voluntarily. In fact, he defied his parents and controlled crewmembers to do so.

I'm not sure if jail is the correct punishment, but surely some consequences.

This is the happiest of happy endings. There will be no consequences.

Such is the nature of Trek.

 

[Cortez]

Picard was abducted and assimilated. Jack went voluntarily. In fact, he defied his parents and controlled crewmembers to do so.

I'm not sure if jail is the correct punishment, but surely some consequences.

And Jack left the Titan because of the crews incompetence. They, along with his own actions are directly responsible for a ridiculous amount of deaths. No mention, nothing. Notice that the infected crew were transported into a holding cell in this episode? That's interesting. You could have done stuff like that a few episodes ago. Too many head scratching moments in this season. The turbo lift.... ridiculous.

 

[NCC-73515]

The scene between Seven and Tuvok didn’t feel right either. They have been friends for a very long time, and there was no familiarity or warmth at all between them. Tuvok could have been replaced by any no-name Starfleet officer and the scene would have played out exactly the same.

Warmth... from Tuvok? And Seven?

 

[Fateor]

Picard was abducted and assimilated. Jack went voluntarily. In fact, he defied his parents and controlled crewmembers to do so.

I'm not sure if jail is the correct punishment, but surely some consequences.

Given he had the Borg in his head at that point I am not sure where you are getting the idea that his departure was completely voluntary from.

 

[SG-17]

The Borg are done, now lets get the Andromedians/Kelvans back.


Or maybe the Iconians finally. New Trek does like to take pieces from novels and STO to use, so maybe.

 

[Amaris]

Warmth... from Tuvok? And Seven?

Hell, Tuvok was practically glowing when he denied her resignation, and he seemed very pleased with himself and borderline proud to say he was promoting her. I think it was plenty warm for a Vulcan.

 

[Mr Awe]

I am shocked, shocked to learn that a man in his early 20s is arrogant, impulsive, and has bad judgment! That is unheard of! Real 20-somethings are famously prudent, circumspect, and humble.

Sure that happens in real life. But if it causes adverse events, there are consequences. While Jack may or may not be legally responsible, he is morally culpable.

 

[Amaris]

Sure that happens in real life. But if it causes adverse events, there are consequences. While Jack may or may not be legally responsible, he is morally culpable.

Meh, it's easy to look at the situation from the outside and offer a clear plan of attack, but in the heat of the moment, with less than complete information, AND with the Borg Queen in your head, it's not always that clear. I'm all for mitigating circumstances.