Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

[MarsWeeps]

10/10 for me. This whole season was TNG that I missed. While I didn't care for the Borg, the camaraderie of the crew is what always made TNG great in my opinion. I didn't see the renaming of the Titan coming but it obviously sets up a new show and I'm looking forward to it.

 

[Yistaan]

He was influenced by the Queen.

Hard to say. We know he had enough control to kill 4 changelings not that long ago, something very much against the queen's wishes

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Spoil what exactly? The fact that in Picard characters even mention her as alive and in Starfleet is already a spoiler. An appearance by her won't spoil any more than what already has been spoiled.

Oh, I don't know, maybe that she is or is not beeping once for yes and twice for no in a Pike chair?

 

[Anduinel]

And to this day, I think the best 'new' character (and especially his intro) was Elnor. but said character was underused in S1 - Sloppily used in S2 (and yeah, if they could work a Romulan in as a Gary 7/TOS S2 Assignment Earth type 'Supervisor' (of course we know now it's not an alien race doing this but rather a godlike Wesley Crusher); they could have worked Elnor in more than just using him as some 2 minute 'combat hologram'. And yeah, guess Terry Matalas even killed him off if her was still on the USS Excelsior when the Borg blew it up <--- WTG Terry Matalas; hell Raffi and 70f9 never mention him AT ALL in PICARD S3.

Good on that front, at least.

 

[SJGardner]

Jack had every intent to murder the Queen to put an end to all of it. He had no idea she placed an apparent restraining bolt in him preventing him from actually carrying it out.

 

[Yistaan]

Jack had every intent to murder the Queen to put an end to all of it. He had no idea she placed an apparent restraining bolt in him preventing him from actually carrying it out.

People have been trying to kill the Borg Queen for thousands of centuries, with far more resources than a shuttle and a phaser, and failed miserably (usually ending in becoming Borg themselves). Jack should be smart enough to know that

 

[David cgc]

Everyone knows that Slovenia, like beach-front "Central" Florida, is one of Earth's hot party spots in the 25th century.

Following the split between the peninsula and the panhandle in 2035, a renewed emphasis on tourism from the new state government lead to the agglomeration of the Orlando Megaplex, extending east to present-day Daytona and Melbourne.

Remember that this episode was filmed over a year ago; and giving everything else they had more than enough time to ramp up a Legacy series if they wanted to; but the series they announced was Starfleet Academy in the 32nd century, and a Section 31 streaming feature film.

Those two series were rumored and in-development for years, though, and were only just officially announced. The DSC episodes laying the groundwork for the SFA series were released a year and a half ago, and the S31 movie was seeded with the release of a deleted scene five years ago. I don't think the fact that they didn't immediately have a coming-soon title after the post-credits teaser tells us anything about the likelihood of a Ti... Enterprise-G series.

 

[Scionz]

Didn't we already see a mix of Disco and Berman-style Klingons in season 2(Disco) when they were showing the Klingon council meetings?

They did a semi-Season 2 Klingon with berman-era hair in Disco Season 1. It looked better, but still like shit and had the weird addons.

The ones in SNW S2 look like they're high definition versions of DS9 Klingons. A bit sharper details for 4K photography but still the same essence.

 

[Scionz]

Not to come off as downplaying your words, but its just the evolution of post-9/11 media as the result of social media, massacres regularly making 24hr news, and various systemic collapses. It possible speculating on the demise of fictional characters is a way for the viewers to cope with what they see regarding the near future. And plays into cynicism of the now.

Exactly. And it needs to stop. In the real world but also in fictional worlds.

Which is why I loved this season so much. It said "enough of that".

 

[Yistaan]

Data: So much pain. So much misery inflicted on so many.

Troi: Data, what's wrong?

Data: I killed them. I killed them all. The Borg are dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals! I hate them!

 

[David cgc]

Fun Chekhov cameo (was that Koenig’s son or what?), a pity they couldn’t get Goldberg too for that last scene in the bar.

Koenig himself, actually.

Captain Seven rocks! I’m confused to when Shaw’s officer review was recorded: if he already called her 7 of 9 there why did he insist on Hansen and generally being a dick afterwards?

I think he just really fucking hates referring to her by a Borg name.

People have been trying to kill the Borg Queen for thousands of centuries, with far more resources than a shuttle and a phaser, and failed miserably (usually ending in becoming Borg themselves). Jack should be smart enough to know that

I wonder if "opening the door" gave him an irresistible compulsion to go to the Queen, and he was rationalizing that irrational urge it by saying it was just so he could force her to explain her evil plan, then kill her.

 

[SJGardner]

People have been trying to kill the Borg Queen for thousands of centuries, with far more resources than a shuttle and a phaser, and failed miserably (usually ending in becoming Borg themselves). Jack should be smart enough to know that

Even accounting for the fact that he was completely in shock after the realization of what he was and clearly wasn't thinking clearly, using this precedent of "everyone failed and was used by the Borg" to argue he was committing an act of treason should hold as much water in the legal sense as the City Watch of Anhk-Morpork summarily ruling the death of everyone willingly walking into The Mended Drum inn to have been suicide simply because everyone is supposed to know there's a neverending bar brawl going on.

 

[Scionz]

No. Jack was clearly acting under Borg mind-control influence after the Red Door was opened, and even then he went there with the conscious intent to kill the Queen rather than join her. He found he was unable to kill her because of a mind-mojo mental block. This is not treason. And Star Trek has been very consistent in depicting the Federation as not holding people responsible for their actions when acting under the influence of mind control technologies.



I am extremely interested in watching Star Trek: Seven of Nine.

It's actually pretty incredible that as of right now, Star Trek: Picard became in part the USS Enterprise-G origin story, and Star Trek Voyager (and to a degree, Picard Seasons 1-3) became the origin story of the 1701-G's Captain.

A character once dismissed as an extraneous eyecandy sexpot to boost ratings on the #5 broadcast network now has perhaps one of the most interesting stories in all of Star Trek. That's really something.

 

[Sci]

It's interesting to consider this thematic contrast between the swan song of TOS and the swang song of TNG.

From The Undiscovered Country:

Azetbur: What's happened? What's the meaning of all of this?
James T. Kirk: It's about the future, Madame Chancellor. Some people think the future means the end of history. Well, we haven't run out of history quite yet. Your father called the future 'the undiscovered country.' People can be very frightened of change.
Azetbur: You've restored my father's faith.
James T. Kirk: And you've restored my son's.​

Compare "The Last Generation:"

Picard: If ever there was better evidence that the past mattered... it's right here.
Geordi: How many times has she managed to save the world?
Riker: No doubt more than the years will allow three old men to remember.
Geordi: You know, it's difficult to imagine what we all might have been without her.
Riker: Different, certainly. But certainly not better.​

For all that their show was called The Next Generation, the thematic preoccupation of "The Last Generation" is with past glory, whereas The Undiscovered Country is much more concerned the future. Where "The Last Generation" literally depicts the older generation as having to fight against the younger generation who have all been brainwashed by evil foreigners using scary technology, The Undiscovered Country is literally about how the older generation needs to get over its fear of change.

 

[Commander K]

Well after watching that all I can say is this could of been perfect had it been pushed onto an hour and 30, so much you felt was chopped out (i.e. how did Seven/Raffi get onto the Titan), a hell of a lot of it felt rushed, saying goodbye to the Ent-D, some of the characters...why couldnt there been a scene of Data meeting Soji for example, since family, the next next generation was the theme. And was hoping a final speech or monologue for Picard as the Ent-G left for the stars but perhaps that was the point, his time is now over.

Regardless, probably straight into the top 10 of all time Trek episodes. Emotional, adrenalin charged and finally got to see the Enterprise D fight, probably fired more phasers and torpedoes than it had done in 7 seasons of TNG

 

[Gilora]

Seven being called by Shaw to be captain in the presumably 3 months she was under him--not only is that already nonsensical, but wasn't the Titan under refit most of those 3 months??

Real-world speaking, US Armed Forces members come up for evaluation on a regular schedule and unless the member has done something really bad, their superior recommends them for promotion.

Shaw recommended that Seven be promoted to captain ASAP - which he assumed wouldn't happen for years, since he probably didn't expect to be dead soon.

Also, considering that the fleet has recently lost a lot of senior officers and that Seven was a part of saving the world, it was logical to put her in charge of the Titan A/Enterprise G.

 

[Scionz]

It's interesting to consider this thematic contrast between the swan song of TOS and the swang song of TNG.

From The Undiscovered Country:

Azetbur: What's happened? What's the meaning of all of this?
James T. Kirk: It's about the future, Madame Chancellor. Some people think the future means the end of history. Well, we haven't run out of history quite yet. Your father called the future 'the undiscovered country.' People can be very frightened of change.
Azetbur: You've restored my father's faith.
James T. Kirk: And you've restored my son's.​

Compare "The Last Generation:"

Picard: If ever there was better evidence that the past mattered... it's right here.
Geordi: How many times has she managed to save the world?
Riker: No doubt more than the years will allow three old men to remember.
Geordi: You know, it's difficult to imagine what we all might have been without her.
Riker: Different, certainly. But certainly not better.​

For all that their show was called The Next Generation, the thematic preoccupation of "The Last Generation" is with past glory, whereas The Undiscovered Country is much more concerned the future. Where "The Last Generation" literally depicts the older generation as having to fight against the younger generation who have all been brainwashed by evil foreigners using scary technology, The Undiscovered Country is literally about how the older generation needs to get over its fear of change.

TUC is my favorite TOS movie and TOS story, but the thematic intent of Picard Season 3 / The Last Generation is a much better fit for the TNG / 24th century saga which is far larger and more cohesive than the TOS saga / 23rd century story ever was.

I'll say again, back in 2000, many of us dreamed what the "Star Trek X" mega event movie would be. We got Nemesis instead. Years later, we got Star Trek Destiny to do in books what the movies didn't do, and it was one take. With Picard Season 3, it did as best as it could given the passage of time and budget constraints, that Mega event and the finale of everything in the 24th century, and the finale of TNG.

It was appropriate to look to the past, rather than to the future in this case, because 20 years ago we didn't get closure. Now we did. Within the story, the end of the Borg here, in 2401 is really the end of 38 years of crisis that began in 2364 in System J-25. The Borg, Wolf 359, The Battle of Sector 001, the Dominion War, the return of the Romulans and then the Romulan Supernova. The brief Federation-Klingon War, the Destructions. The past 40 years were harder fro Starfleet and the Federation than any time in the prior 70 certainly, and probably the hardest 40 in Federation history. And this is the end of it.

Only fitting it launches to a new era with an Enterprise-G, with a Captain from the past, a first officer from the present, and a "advisor", the son of one of Starfleet's greatest, right there, as the future.

 

[shyborg]

Maybe. How many are interested in Seven as a lead?

Genuine question. I go back and forth. I'm not 100% sold on this idea. Besides all the logistical challenges that come from wanting to move production out of California, and reduce costs.

It's all about the right take for me

TNG, DS9, Voyager, Prodigy, Lower Decks, Prodigy. These shows weren't what some fan wanted but they've done alright
Edit - clarified a sentence

 

[Sci]

People have been trying to kill the Borg Queen for thousands of centuries, with far more resources than a shuttle and a phaser, and failed miserably (usually ending in becoming Borg themselves). Jack should be smart enough to know that

I am shocked, shocked to learn that a man in his early 20s is arrogant, impulsive, and has bad judgment! That is unheard of! Real 20-somethings are famously prudent, circumspect, and humble.

It's actually pretty incredible that as of right now, Star Trek: Picard became in part the USS Enterprise-G origin story, and Star Trek Voyager (and to a degree, Picard Seasons 1-3) became the origin story of the 1701-G's Captain.

A character once dismissed as an extraneous eyecandy sexpot to boost ratings on the #5 broadcast network now has perhaps one of the most interesting stories in all of Star Trek. That's really something.

Absolutely! It's really a testament to the strength of Jeri Ryan as an actor that she's been able to so transcend the constraints that were initially placed on her character.

 

[Phily B]

It has bothered me all day but finally remembered. The fleet vs the Starbase reminded me of a Birth of the Federation battle.