Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

[ernie90125]

Not really, the trailer showed the Enterprise D would go into battle (no surprise there'd be a battle scene) and by saying the Death Star the title, it can't be seen as a spoiler for anything that actually happened in the episode.

Unless your message was sarcastic, because of course, it did feel just like the run on the second Death Star...

 

[Nyotarules]

I gave it an 8, if Jack Crusher went to jail for treachery it would be a 20 from me. As for that other guest star.....really? I know the TNG crew have Lazarus syndrome but really?????
Off to read this 50 page (for now) thread.

I've dropped it to a 7 for dumping Laris. Hope she blew up the vineyard or put laxative in the wine bottles.

 

[Racefuel]

From what has been seen..the Syracuse didn't have a good ending. There's significant damage and issues on the secondary hull.

 

[Tuskin38]

I gave it an 8, if Jack Crusher went to jail for treachery

Picard never did, why would he?

I know the TNG crew have Lazarus syndrome but really?????

He's still dead.

 

[Sci]

I'm gonna say what I've already sad in the speculation thread: considering that Galaxy-class frames have been designed for 100 years, the Enterprise-D could've had a good few decades left in it even with the damage to the saucer from the crash. Even better, the stardrive section probably only saw normal use before it was decommissoned. If any ship had to be rechristened as the NCC-1701-G, I would've preferred that the D be done so, after an extensive refit of course. Perhaps under the command of Captain Data (freshly promoted after the one-year jump). Seven's ship should've remained the Titan, because giving her a Voyager would've been infeasible from a production viewpoint, even though that would've fit her journey the most.

I'm pretty sure at this point they're keeping the Enterprise-D/Syracuse ship in the Museum because of its profound historical significance moreso than any deficiencies in its spaceframe or technology. Same with the Defiant and Voyager, I'd bet.

Assuming she survived the Borg Crisis, I would also assume that the Enterprise-F is being sent to the Fleet Museum because of historical significance rather than issues with the spaceframe itself. That thing's probably barely 15 years old, if that.

 

[Paul755]

Would the interest continue without the TNG crew?

maybe some. Seven seems to have a decent following. Makes me think they should have maybe had Data as First Officer instead of Raffi. Or had Riker as Captain with Seven as XO. Something like that.

 

[Fateor]

Would the interest continue without the TNG crew?

Would have to see.

But if they actually run with Seven as Captain and keep the crew we've seen so far, I can't see them loosing that many. Especially given the established chemistry for the Titan/Enterprise-G bridge crew put's them leagues above what we got for Discovery.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Do we even get confirmation that Janeway survived? If I were the Borg Queen she'd be the first I'd be ordering gunned down, just saying.

Apparently they weren't allowed to use her because of Prodigy.

Someone said Terry mentioned it in an interview.

I did not know that.

According to Memory Alpha, PROD "Supernova, Part 2" takes place in 2384 and PIC "The Last Generation" takes place in 2401 and 2402. So, yeah, it could have potentially been spoilery to PROD, for one thing, I suppose, if not even contradictory, to include Janeway in PIC. Makes sense to keep her out of it.

 

[Nyotarules]

Picard never did, why would he?


He's still dead.

Picard was kidnapped. Jack went with eyes wide open and manipulated Starfleet crew to get there. He is a traitor. Nepotism kept him from being arrested.

 

[Noname Given]

They are likely going to gauge how much interest there is before green-lighting anything Legacy related.

Which is a shame, because I'm pretty sure after that Finale the intrest will be a lot higher for it then a 32nd century Starfleet Academy show.

The other impediment to the Legacy show is that PICARD was filmed in Los Angeles (that was a condition Patrick Stewart had and if they didn't he wouldn't have agreed to do the show.) This really added another level of cost to the production, which is not something Paramount+ wants to continue. All the Los Angeles sets they have have been destroyed, with a few pieces placed in storage; but it would still probably be more expensive to ship them to Canada than to just rebuild them.

But an advantage the 32nd Starfleet Academy series has, aside from being produced in Toronto, is that it can make use of all the 32nd century sets and virtual environments that were created for Star Trek Discovery when it moved to the 32nd century. So already there are a few levels of production cost savings built in to the Starfleet Academy series.

 

[fireproof78]

Would have to see.

But if they actually run with Seven as Captain and keep the crew we've seen so far, I can't see them loosing that many. Especially given the established chemistry for the Titan/Enterprise-G bridge crew put's them leagues above what we got for Discovery.

Maybe. How many are interested in Seven as a lead?

Genuine question. I go back and forth. I'm not 100% sold on this idea. Besides all the logistical challenges that come from wanting to move production out of California, and reduce costs.

 

[shapeshifter]

Troi used her abilities to know where a family member was…just like Leia hearing Luke at Cloud City.

Best use ever of the Imazidi term. It is a payoff going all the way back to E @ F, when she thinks about it to him.

 

[Sci]

Picard was kidnapped. Jack went with eyes wide open and manipulated Starfleet crew to get there. He is a traitor.

No. Jack was clearly acting under Borg mind-control influence after the Red Door was opened, and even then he went there with the conscious intent to kill the Queen rather than join her. He found he was unable to kill her because of a mind-mojo mental block. This is not treason. And Star Trek has been very consistent in depicting the Federation as not holding people responsible for their actions when acting under the influence of mind control technologies.

Maybe. How many are interested in Seven as a lead?

Genuine question. I go back and forth. I'm not 100% sold on this idea. Besides all the logistical challenges that come from wanting to move production out of California, and reduce costs.

I am extremely interested in watching Star Trek: Seven of Nine.

 

[Angel4576]

Maybe. How many are interested in Seven as a lead?

Genuine question. I go back and forth. I'm not 100% sold on this idea.

I'm fine with her leading. I'd have preferred Shaw, with Seven as XO, and I definitely didn't want Raffi anywhere near anything, but Jeri Ryan could easily lead a show if that's the route they take.

 

[Yistaan]

I did not know that.

According to Memory Alpha, PROD "Supernova, Part 2" takes place in 2384 and PIC "The Last Generation" takes place in 2401 and 2402. So, yeah, it could have potentially been spoilery to PROD, for one thing, I suppose, if not even contradictory, to include Janeway in PIC. Makes sense to keep her out of it.

Spoil what exactly? The fact that in Picard characters even mention her as alive and in Starfleet is already a spoiler. An appearance by her won't spoil any more than what already has been spoiled.

 

[hellojane]

Maybe. How many are interested in Seven as a lead?

Genuine question. I go back and forth. I'm not 100% sold on this idea. Besides all the logistical challenges that come from wanting to move production out of California, and reduce costs.

Just anecdotally and judging by social media, I think there's enough interest in Seven that a show would be popular and do well. People like her and I think her and Raffi have a fairly big fanbase.

As for interest without the TNG crew, I figure since the show would probably revolve around Seven, Raffi, and all their kids that they would just use them to cameo here and there. That's probably enough to keep people interested. I don't know that Patrick Stewart would be interested in a one off cameo, but I'm sure they could get the others on board. They have all been talking about wanting to come back and have been hyping the idea up so there's also that. I still have my doubts about this happening anytime soon but that's at least the vibe of gotten from the actors and Matalas of how they'd want the show to be.

 

[Mudd]

Another 25th century show from Matalas doesn't have to be anything specific or feature particular actors, as long as it has the vibe and contains popular elements from the TNG era of Star Trek. As much as I think season 3 of Picard has not been a very good show, it's clear that Matalas has hit a nerve with a large number of long-time fans and demonstrated a demand for more of this kind of thing in the same way that putting Pike and Spock into STD created interest in a new show aboard the Enterprise in the 23rd century.

The size of the TV audience that followed TNG every week at its peak is probably larger than at any other time in the franchise's history, for any other version of it. Certainly no other Berman-era show came close after the first dozen or so episodes of DS9.

 

[jackoverfull]

It was a solid episode with really too much in it.

A few observations…

The D never looked this good in the series.

Fun seeing Data having fun. The Death Star-like sequence is redeemed only by this.

The distressed Borg cube is really eery, but these Borg are as uninteresting as they were on the last episodes and the queen was basically a sad caricature of what was already a character of scarse interest. Her plan didn’t account for the new Borg being disconnected from her? Really?

I liked Jack’s Borg look…this series has been doing a lot of things right in that regard (real phaser beams in space, unfortunately not for the sidearms…shield bubbles…). I’m divided on the discussion between him and Picard in the collective. Also, all it takes to connect someone is yanking a tube in their neck somehow? Lest not forget this body is not the same one that had been assimilated 35 years earlier.

For all the things they did good, this finale share the same issues with many new Trek season finales: over the top battles with thousands of ships and no weight, resulting in an inane amount of distraction that will have no bearing at all, followed by too long sequences of people living happy ever after and addressing every single unresolved little issue of past episodes. Yawn. I’m included to tolerate this in this occasion because they obviously wanted to setup Legacy and especially because it will likely be the last time we’ll see this crew together.

Fun Chekhov cameo (was that Koenig’s son or what?), a pity they couldn’t get Goldberg too for that last scene in the bar.

The Titan being renamed Enterprise left me unmoved (and I never liked the design to begin with…also, at times it has been presented as an old ship, so…), I was saddened to see the D shut down at the museum again. I would have preferred for her to be kept active somehow.

Captain Seven rocks! I’m confused to when Shaw’s officer review was recorded: if he already called her 7 of 9 there why did he insist on Hansen and generally being a dick afterwards?

A 9, but barely.

 

[Tuskin38]

Picard was kidnapped. Jack went with eyes wide open and manipulated Starfleet crew to get there. He is a traitor. Nepotism kept him from being arrested.

He was influenced by the Queen.

 

[Racefuel]

He is a traitor. .

Nothing Jack did can be considered treason