The Borg gone for good now after this. The Jurati ones are the only left.
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I pretty much feelexactly this. With some time and distance we will probably be less amenable to the actual plot stuff but the character moments with the TNG crew and the wrapping up the Berman Trek era are what I think we will take most away from this, along with just an absolutely great arc for Seven of Nine. My suspicion is that S3 if PIC will be viewed favorably in the long term. Hell, you could watch all of TNG, GEN, FC, and then skip right to PIC and it would actually be kind of awesome!
This season had a lot of things to accomplish and I think it did them all pretty well, and the most important job it had—to send off TNG in the manner it always deserved—very well.
There was a lot to like about the finale, but I think ultimately it's probably one of the weakest episodes of the series. Renaming the Titan to the Enterprise almost ruined the whole show for me 
Really didn't like them ripping the ending of All Good Things off either. Real lack of imagination there. We were promised closure and yet we were just served up exactly the same ending all over again. Hell, I'd argue Nemesis had more closure than this one.
Really didn't like them ripping the ending of All Good Things off either. Real lack of imagination there. We were promised closure and yet we were just served up exactly the same ending all over again. Hell, I'd argue Nemesis had more closure than this one.
I'm so thankful for Matalas for giving a real closure to Picard, the old crew and the ship.
Yes, there is always something that as a fan you would probably have wanted different. But today is not the day for nitpicking. This was excellent and I loved every minute of it.
I really feel like its over now.
Yes, there is always something that as a fan you would probably have wanted different. But today is not the day for nitpicking. This was excellent and I loved every minute of it.
I really feel like its over now.
Considering the Queen pretty much said that her and her cube were it for the hive mind, yes. The Borg as a collective are dead. Dormant cubes like the one found in Prodigy might be small problems in the future, but the hive mind is gone, the Queen is gone, and the ability to assimilate is gone.
Well put. I would note also that at it currently stands, over 56% of poll responses give the finale a 10/10. The % of 5/10 or less (I'm presuming this indicates "didn't like it overall") combined is a single digit percentage. No shade at all to the variety of opinions, just pointing out that an absolutely overwhelming % of folks liked, and a majority LOVED this ep, which is not what one might gather from tallying up the negative vs positive written posts on here.
The Enterprise-D bridge set was a "nightmare of time and financially" per Terry Matalas but it was critical.
Picard Season 3 hit an unfortunate time when streaming budgets are geetting choked down, inflation is high, cost of living is high which all impacts the payment of the cast, crew, etc.
This wasn't a AAA title movie budget and these shows obstensively cost *much* more to make now than TNG did 35 years ago. Even then they used extensive amounts of redresses from the TOS era movies, IE transporters, the battle bridge, corridors, etc.
I know we all have a dream star trek show we can make if we had an unlimited budget and time, but we don't, they don't, and this isn't it.
I guess I disagree. After ROTJ Palps was done. Then SW got too far up its own ass and they decided to bring him back.
The Borg returning for a TNG send off is as logical a choice as any. The problem is that in the intervening time there was Borg fatigue, ironically caused by including them in a lot of things. THAT is why it feels weird. But that's just a by product of how media gets made in the industry. Their inclusion here is like the one place where it's very normal and organic (ha) to see them.
That's why I think the animated options should be explored more seriously instead of on shows like Lower Decks (sorry LD fans!). Prodigy is a good start, but nowhere near what animated Trek could do for the franchise. The Clone Wars cartoon basically saved the entire prequel trilogy over at that other Star franchise.
Underrated comment. A HUGE part of why S3 of PIC resonates better than S1 and S2 and most of the TNG films is characterization...the characters act in a way that makes sense given what we know about them and who they've been shown to be, just at a later stage of their lives. In the TNG movies they're almost all unrecognizable and that's part of the reason why some of the movies (cough, NEM) are so off-putting.
That was before the time jump. Jurati was at the party was Soji then gets called back to the Stargazer. She is wearing her dinner clothes. They encounter the borg ship and Jurati figures out that it is saying "help us Picard." An admiral goes to Picard's home and tells him about the situation and he leaves for the Stargazer. When he arrives Jurati is still wearing her dinner clothes....so that transwarp conduit does not take very long to reach.
Well, no. The PT painted Palpatine as a highly skilled, difficult to beat opponent, who was able to recover against his enemies rapidly. He became like the Borg in the SW trilogy, especially after the Clone Wars. Him coming back is about as surprising as the Borg coming back against Picard.
And they should stay gone now, IMO. Enterprise-G should now be out exploring strange new worlds, seeking out new life and new civilizations. If not a series, than one of the streaming Trek movies they're planning on.
Well, I think the prequel trilogy was what began the uhhh...rectal lodging as it were....
But seriously, I think that people would view his return more favorably if it was set up at all, but it wasn't. There wasn't really any intention behind the plot progression of the sequel trilogy and it really shows.
Ironically, none of this Borg/Picard/DNA stuff was planned either but over the decades the ground was laid and all they had to do was connect the dots.
None of which was stated in the show. In-Universe a borg group requested to join the federation. That same year it is discovered that another borg group has a plan in place to remotely assimilate Starfleet. Picard and his friends have no backup and no plan. The entire fleet is compromised. Would it not make sense to reach out to the the other borg for help? If the Jurati borg were unavailable then the show would have said so. But if the Jurati borg requested membership into the federation wouldn't they also want to help since the federation was about to fall? Isn't that why they wanted to protect the sector against the conduit? It has only been 9 episodes since the borg requested federation membership and now they are just forgotten.
Okay, here's my take on the final episode:
My end take? No harm, no foul. Matalas' love letter to TNG gave me enough warm fuzzies to gloss over much of what irked me about it, but in the end I still think that if TNG is Michael Jordan, then Star Trek: Picard is the Washington Wizards period of that legendary career (NBA fans will know what I mean).
I'm glad the TNG crew survived intact, and I didn't mind the final poker game retread. The element I did dislike was Q's return in the mid-credits scene. I felt they had done a nice job of buttoning up the Picard/Q storyline in season 2, just as season 3 has done with Picard & the Borg Queen.
So much of this final season has involved Terry Matalas revising events in the Trek timeline he disagreed with, but it's one thing to alter things from 20-25 years ago—I found it quite jarring to have Q's "death" reconned mere months after it occurred. Re-casting the role (presenting a new face of Q to bedevil the son of Picard) might have made it seem less jarring, I don't know. John de Lancie is 75 years old, so perhaps a new Q would have been smart from a production standpoint, if nothing else (in the event Paramount decides to give us future stories about Jack Crusher aboard the Enterprise-G).
On the upside, at least no one in Starfleet will ever give Picard the stink-eye about his time as Locutus again, seeing as how the entire fleet got assimilated this time. Now they know what Jean-Luc went through (or at least the young ones do).
My only other gripe is that the climax of this episode was really more Star Wars than Star Trek—flying into the interior of the enormous enemy spaceship and blowing up a vital central target with torpedoes? Sorry, but I liked it better when I saw Lando Calrissian do it in Return of the Jedi back in 1983.
So much of this final season has involved Terry Matalas revising events in the Trek timeline he disagreed with, but it's one thing to alter things from 20-25 years ago—I found it quite jarring to have Q's "death" reconned mere months after it occurred. Re-casting the role (presenting a new face of Q to bedevil the son of Picard) might have made it seem less jarring, I don't know. John de Lancie is 75 years old, so perhaps a new Q would have been smart from a production standpoint, if nothing else (in the event Paramount decides to give us future stories about Jack Crusher aboard the Enterprise-G).
On the upside, at least no one in Starfleet will ever give Picard the stink-eye about his time as Locutus again, seeing as how the entire fleet got assimilated this time. Now they know what Jean-Luc went through (or at least the young ones do).
My only other gripe is that the climax of this episode was really more Star Wars than Star Trek—flying into the interior of the enormous enemy spaceship and blowing up a vital central target with torpedoes? Sorry, but I liked it better when I saw Lando Calrissian do it in Return of the Jedi back in 1983.
My end take? No harm, no foul. Matalas' love letter to TNG gave me enough warm fuzzies to gloss over much of what irked me about it, but in the end I still think that if TNG is Michael Jordan, then Star Trek: Picard is the Washington Wizards period of that legendary career (NBA fans will know what I mean).
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Which is exactly how I treat the ST. Picard Season 3 is the same way. I just connect the dots and am satisfied. Is it TNG level for me? No, TNG will always end with All Good Things for me. But it is serviceable.
Same with the Sequels.
Ha...I was just listening to an ESPN show talking about this same topic.
So from a scientific perspective, yes. The material of the Cube would be come part of the atmosphere of the planet. Now is there enough material to actually change the chemistry of the planet. I dont know. We don't know the size of the cube do we? I would expect the Cube when it blew up to make a scar on the planet similar to what happened in 1995 when a comet was seen hitting Jupiter. You can read about it, just google Shoemaker-Levy 9.
Additionally, the Great Red Spot on Jupiter rotates with the planet and also moves a little in latitude. So the transwarp conduit would not stay in the Red Spot unless the conduit is rotating the same speed as the planet's day. A day on Jupiter is just short of 10 hours long, compared to day on Earth that is just short of 24 hours.
Hope this helps.
ETA: Just saw your second point about protostars. No Jupiter is not massive enough to be a star.
That, or she knew she looked damn good in that dress and didn't want to change as long as her ex was there.
Again, I gave this episode a 10 because I thing as an episode it stood on its own (with last week) very well. But if I were to rate the season as a whole my rating would be lower and even the issue above with the Jurati borg would factor into that for me.
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