Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

[Anduinel]

• Elnor? Possibly dead, they don't care.

Matalas cared enough to let folks on Twitter know he didn't buy it on the Excelsior, but a mention somewhere would have been nice. I'm still frustrated by the S1/S2 cast getting sidelined, but it sounds like some of it was budgetary. Maybe we'll get Soji and Elnor back for the spinoff since the cast salaries will be a bit lower across the board.

 

[GulBahana]

They could have rogue Harry Kim still upset about not getting a promotion.

 

[gweeps]

Yea. I said earlier in the thread the Q who died could have been a Q from a decade, century, or even millions or billions of years into the future who wanted one last 'fun fight with Picard' so he travelled back in time. Just because the Q say they are omnipotent, doesn't mean they are and the fact they've fought against other entities shows they aren't 'omnipotent'. Whatever they tap into for their power source is likely finite and eventually they run out.

But it's all on a level not even conceivable by mere mortals to comprehend how they do what they do.

Remember when Q brought another him as a witness in Voy's 'Death Wish'? My theory is he was from another timeline.

 

[El Maestro]

Huh, Enterprise-G is the 9th Starfleet ship to bear that name, and G is the 7th letter of the alphabet.

Illuminati confirmed

 

[Brainsucker]

I agree.

Admiral Janeway giving Captain Seven and the Enterprise-G their next mission, and Tuvok's already still part of Starfleet. It's completely organic. They wouldn't have to go through so much to reunite the VOY crew like they did with the TNG crew.

Actually Admiral Janeaway whereabout can become the first mystery case that can bring all the crews together. Started with Tuvok give 7 of 9 a mission to trace Janeaway whereabout. Then one by one Voyager casts can join the flow.

 

[Dukhat]

Again, the biggest single frustration I have with the episode (and the season as a whole) is while it works just fine as a coda to TNG, it actively undermines everything regarding Seasons 1/2.

• Soji? Doesn't mean shit to Picard, or Data it seems. Not even mentioned.
• Elnor? Possibly dead, they don't care.
• Q's "death"? Undone by the mid-credits scene
• Agnes's "reformation" of the Borg? Meant nothing.
• Season 2's whole arc about getting Picard to be open to a relationship? Didn't amount to shit, since Laris was written out after 15 minutes.
• Riker's grief regarding Thad goes from something mostly dealt with to a fresh, open wound. They actively undermine everything in Nepenthe.
• The death of the "other Data" in Season 1 is pushed aside as being meaningless with little fanfare.

As I said, Raffi's arc was the only thing that got payoff.

Do I think this is a better season than 1 or 2? Yes, overall. But I feel like one of the basic rules of serialized TV is that the decisions characters made in the prior seasons have to mean something in order for the ultimate payoff to be worthwhile. As flawed as the previous seasons were, Season 3 actively makes them worse, because the entire emotional cores of both seasons are rendered totally meaningless by the choices that Matalas made here.

Not to mention that Oh and the Romulan infiltration of Starfleet in season 1 was ignored (and were they infiltrating while the Changelings were as well?), and the fact that in Picard’s flashback he had nothing but praise for Starfleet while it was established in season 1 that he’d effectively distanced himself from Starfleet at that time.

 

[jaime]

Pavel Chekov, while under evil mind control, did express a desire for Klingon women in Day of the Dove I believe.

Ok so... who's the mother of Anton Chekov? Azetbur? L'Rell???

STV… Varis was it? Vunderful muscles.

 

[gweeps]

They could have rogue Harry Kim still upset about not getting a promotion.

One of the coolest things in Voyager is the Harry Kim who ends the series isn't the one who started it. And there was no reset. Well, unless you consider the timey wimey shenanigans from 'Timeless'.

 

[AlanC9]

I took the post credits scene to be that Q did indeed die in Picard Season 2. This is Q from outside that linear timeline, as evidence by the fact that he is "aged up" and wearing his confederation timeline outfit, implying that this is him mucking around while Picard and crew are busy doing what they did in 21st century earth.

Not a retcon.

Agreed. Q doesn’t actually say that Picard was wrong about his death. And there’s no reason that Q can’t go forward in the timeline before he dies. We’ve seen him do it.

 

[fireproof78]

One of the coolest things in Voyager is the Harry Kim who ends the series isn't the one who started it. And there was no reset. Well, unless you consider the timey wimey shenanigans from 'Timeless'.

I don't. Timey wimey shenangings are best ignored at all costs.

 

[jaime]

Not to mention that Oh and the Romulan infiltration of Starfleet in season 1 was ignored (and were they infiltrating while the Changelings were as well?), and the fact that in Picard’s flashback he had nothing but praise for Starfleet while it was established in season 1 that he’d effectively distanced himself from Starfleet at that time.

They only needed one high-placed Romulan agent really, or a sympathiser thereof. (We’ve seen dodgy Vulcans before)
Picards flashback dealt with itself in the performance — he was reticent, but ultimately Picard isn’t about to crap over a bunch of dreaming cadets, not turn old-man shouting at the youth.

 

[fireproof78]

he was reticent, but ultimately Picard isn’t about to crap over a bunch of dreaming cadets, not turn old-man shouting at the youth.

Indeed, one of the most realistic aspects in the show, and that's saying something because I think this series has dealt very well with human struggles and frailties.

 

[El Maestro]

That's something I loved too! Watching the Enterprise-D move like that was bringing something new to the table that otherwise would be taken for granted. We got to see the D put to use in a whole new way, piloted with android precision.

Absolutely this. It also puts to rest the notion that the E-D isn’t fit for widescreen/HD or whatever. It looked great and seeing it get its Big Damn Hero (aka Millenium Falcon) moment was a moment of nerd joy.

 

[Yistaan]

They could have rogue Harry Kim still upset about not getting a promotion.

Terry Matalas said in an interview today that both Harry Kim and Janeway were supposed to show up before reality (I assume budget etc) got in the way.

 

[fireproof78]

Absolutely this. It also puts to rest the notion that the E-D isn’t fit for widescreen/HD or whatever.

It looked clunky at times, and stuttered a bit. I was not overly impressed but it did the job.

 

[Yistaan]

STV… Varis was it? Vunderful muscles.

Vixis is Anton Chekov's mother confirmed.

 

[Gepard]

The episode answered that in the ending. We are shown that Starfleet updated the transporters to detect changelings and we see Starfleet capture a changeling when it was beaming onboard. So Starfleet used the transporters to detect and capture all the remaining changelings that were still out there.

Which, I'm sorry, feels like a little bit of a cop-out after a season spent establishing how deeply the changelings infiltrated Starfleet. It deserves more of a wrap-up than one line and one shot in the coda.

(And, in-universe, I would expect any anti-changeling measures to receive pushback from high ranking changelings still undiscovered. I suppose you could handwave that the assimilated officers killed most of their collaborators, but it would be nice to have some of the story cover that, wouldn't it?)

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I'm going to on a limb and headcanon that because Q changed the future in AGT, he's basically the "father" of Jack Crusher in a way, because in AGT Picard's Borg DNA went forever unrecognized, he never had kids, and the Frontier Day Massacre of 2401 never would've happened.

I've thought for a number of years that it's Picard that changed the future. The echoes he retained of his "All Good Things..." vision made him a bit reckless in the months that followed because he felt he had a sense of how things were going to go, and as a result he made decisions that he wouldn't have otherwise made, which resulted (in a spectacular fashion) with the destruction of the Enteprise-D.

What we DON'T know is why Q wanted Jack to be born so much.

Well, Q's a bit of an opportunist, and Picard is the closest thing to a best friend Q has. Q wants his friend to be happy.

 

[fireproof78]

Which, I'm sorry, feels like a little bit of a cop-out after a season spent establishing how deeply the changelings infiltrated Starfleet. It deserves more of a wrap-up than one line and one shot in the coda.

This part was actually what made me chuckle, sensibly. How very Star Trek to wrap it up with one line.

And, in-universe, I would expect any anti-changeling measures to receive pushback from high ranking changelings still undiscovered. I suppose you could handwave that the assimilated officers killed most of their collaborators, but it would be nice to have some of the story cover that, wouldn't it?)

Nice? Sure it would be nice. It would be nice to have a lot of stories.

I don't think this story demanded it though.

 

[Racefuel]

It seems more now that what people want is to be given absolutely resolute, perfectly clear bullet points to what happened to every single character seen on screen, every single minor comment and there is no room for traditional Trek vagueness, soft conclusions or such.

I don't know where that need/desire/demand comes from. Every single Star Trek, Star Wars, Doctor Who, Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5, etc type series has soft conclusions, vague details and such.

Its a story, not a powerpoint presentation or excel spreadsheet