You honestly don't know me at all. I love Star Trek. I have for 40 odd years. But I also love good writing. This season's writing has been appalling
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"
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The Battle of Wolf 359 from Deep Space Nine's "Emissary":
That's two ships, roughly 3/4 the size of the Galaxy Class, making hairpin turns in space. And it's canon from the Berman era.
Your opinion seems to be in the minority.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
DATA wasn't the same person that he is now, there was ALOT of life experiences that happened along the way.
We've seen other StarShips manuever gracefully in battle in Wolf 359 where they're flying tightly.
Same with the USS Defiant doing loop-de-loops.
We're in a Universe where Impulse Drives gives large StarFleet StarShip crazy acceleration, similar to high performance automobiles, despite being WAY larger in mass and size.
Most of us have loved Star Trek for nearly as long.
And I love this seasons writing.
Everybody has different tastes as to what makes good writing.
If this season wasn't for you, then so be it.
I have friends who hates Picard S2, but loves S3.
To each his own.
Again.... is it similar to what the Enterprise did in this season? They basically flew in the same direction. no crazinessThe Battle of Wolf 359 from Deep Space Nine's "Emissary":
That's two ships, roughly 3/4 the size of the Galaxy Class, making hairpin turns in space. And it's canon from the Berman era.
Your opinion seems to be in the minority.
That's honestly not good enough. This season has been awful. Horrendous writing from the start. I honestly think I'm more of a Star Trek fan than the majority of u
The Battle of Wolf 359 from Deep Space Nine's "Emissary":
That's two ships, roughly 3/4 the size of the Galaxy Class, making hairpin turns in space. And it's canon from the Berman era.
Your opinion seems to be in the minority.
Yep. That Ambassador looks sick making that turn and strafing run. This means that over 30 years ago in the DS9 premiere we already had Starfleet vessels that could do spatial acrobatics and turn on a dime. So...what was the argument again?
That's your opinion, we don't have to agree on everything to be a "Star Trek" fan.
If your idea of a StarShip fight is slow / lumbering, then that's the limit of your imagination; not what is shown on screen as to what is capable of big ships.
They were performing fish-tail drifts in space, LONG before "Fast & Furious: Tokyo Drift" was a twinkle in Justin Lin's eye.Yep. That Ambassador looks sick making that turn and strafing run. This means that over 30 years ago in the DS9 premiere we already had Starfleet vessels that could do spatial acrobatics and turn on a dime. So...what was the argument again?
Slagging the person again there with that. These ships have always moved in a certain way for 60 odd years.
Battle of Wolf 359 disagrees with your statement.
Same with the USS Defiant doing crazy manuevers during the Dominion War.
Those were LONG before ST:Picard S3E10.
I guess it just comes naturally, then?
And there’s no “slagging the people” just above? Hmm.
Do not poke that anthill, friend.
This from the guy with the "Get a life!" avatar.
Watch particularly from the 90-second mark on, when Sisko takes the helm.
Let's focus on this for a second because it's an important point worth considering when we're talking about how agile starships can be. It's very easy to think of impulse engines as just "fancy rockets" and warp drive's much more boring sibling, but as shown on screen impulse engines provide acceleration far and away in advance of even any theoretical engine we know of today.
The TNG Technical Manual says that impulse drives are "required" to be able to provide an acceleration of 10km/sec²... that's about 1000g! However, in fact from what we see on screen some impulse engines must be capable of substantially higher acceleration than this. In Star Trek: The Motion Picture the Enterprise travels from Earth to Jupiter in 1.8 hours at "warp 0.5". During this time its warp drive is explicitly offline, so we know it must be entirely running on impulse here, and that therefore "warp 0.5" must be a sublight speed. It's not clear what the relative positions of Earth and Jupiter were in ST:TMP but their closest approach is 590 million kilometres and their furthest distance is around 960 million kilometres, with the average distance between them being 778 million kilometres; this gives us an upper and lower limit of the distance travelled and therefore the acceleration achieved.
If Jupiter is at its closest approach to Earth, the acceleration the Enterprise sustains is around 28.1km/s².
If Jupiter is at its furthest distance from Earth, the acceleration the Enterprise sustains is around 45.7km/s².
Assuming the average distance between Jupiter and Earth, the acceleration the Enterprise sustains is around 37.1km/s².
In even the slowest case, this is somewhat greater than the acceleration of a bullet in the barrel of a rifle when it is fired. And the Enterprise is sustaining this rate of acceleration for almost two hours
TL;DR: impulse engines are hella powerful and can provide crazy accelerations of thousands of g for multiple hours at a time. Thank god for inertial dampers. Warp drive might get all the glory but even the most basic impulse engine technology would literally revolutionise space travel and exploration as we know it.
Fancy flying & handling is all about how well you know the ship and how well you can process the manuevering in 3D space in your head.
Then there's the fact that we have "DATA" who is a living Super Computer w/ LOTS of experience time on the USS Enterprise.
So I have no qualms with him getting through the 3D maze tunnel in tact.
This is what is known as "an appeal to purity", otherwise known as the "no true scotsman" fallacy. Look it up. It's also an ad hominem, and I'd suggest you learn quickly that the way to get people to give your argument serious consideration is not to insult them because they don't automatically share it.
I do. Everyday.
It's a combination of both Impulse Engines & Warp Drives that allow Galactic Exploration to be viable.Let's focus on this for a second because it's an important point worth considering when we're talking about how agile starships can be. It's very easy to think of impulse engines as just "fancy rockets" and warp drive's much more boring sibling, but as shown on screen impulse engines provide acceleration far and away in advance of even any theoretical engine we know of today.
The TNG Technical Manual says that impulse drives are "required" to be able to provide an acceleration of 10km/sec²... that's about 1000g! However, in fact from what we see on screen some impulse engines must be capable of substantially higher acceleration than this. In Star Trek: The Motion Picture the Enterprise travels from Earth to Jupiter in 1.8 hours at "warp 0.5". During this time its warp drive is explicitly offline, so we know it must be entirely running on impulse here, and that therefore "warp 0.5" must be a sublight speed. It's not clear what the relative positions of Earth and Jupiter were in ST:TMP but their closest approach is 590 million kilometres and their furthest distance is around 960 million kilometres, with the average distance between them being 778 million kilometres; this gives us an upper and lower limit of the distance travelled and therefore the acceleration achieved.
If Jupiter is at its closest approach to Earth, the acceleration the Enterprise sustains is around 28.1km/s².
If Jupiter is at its furthest distance from Earth, the acceleration the Enterprise sustains is around 45.7km/s².
Assuming the average distance between Jupiter and Earth, the acceleration the Enterprise sustains is around 37.1km/s².
In even the slowest case, this is somewhat greater than the acceleration of a bullet in the barrel of a rifle when it is fired. And the Enterprise is sustaining this rate of acceleration for almost two hours
TL;DR: impulse engines are hella powerful and can provide crazy accelerations of thousands of g for multiple hours at a time. Thank god for inertial dampers. Warp drive might get all the glory but even the most basic impulse engine technology would literally revolutionise space travel and exploration as we know it.
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