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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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Where do you start with this one? It's getting worse people. It really feels like the screenwriters suddenly panicked, realising that there's only two episodes left and that the fanbase actually demands some kind of conclusion, logic, character or pacing be damned, not that they've cared about these essential elements to storytelling in the first place.

So many plot exposition dumps, complete and utter head scratchers all over the shop.... what? how? why? That doesn't make sense. Oh, it's alright, they're back on the Enterprise.

And I'm actually not slagging this episode in terms of pacing: it actually goes somewhere, as daft as that journey is, which is in such stark contrast to what had preceded it. Looks great, music and the cut is working. But the contrivances are really too long to list, as well as the character beats not making one bit of sense, and nostalgia can only go so far. So so poor.
Nope.

Boimler, we're going to need your spread open legs and anus.
Boimler could be promoted all the way up to fleet admiral, and I will never get that cursed image out of my mind.
 
Well I have a feeling the vast majority of the userbase here would have been phasered to death, ha ha. Mr. Matalas is the new GOD! I'm really speechless, truly. What a ride.
 
Nope.


Boimler could be promoted all the way up to fleet admiral, and I will never get that cursed image out of my mind.

Unfortunately it's a big yep. I was so looking forward to this season based on early reviews from youtubers whose opinions I've respected prior to this, along with my own love of TNG and the hopes that they'd give them a great send off. Nostalgia is a powerful weapon. The band back together. If I were a betting man (which I am) I'll guarantee you that so many Star Trek fans will watch this again in a few years time and go, "what was I thinking?"
 
Unfortunately it's a big yep. I was so looking forward to this season based on early reviews from youtubers whose opinions I've respected prior to this, along with my own love of TNG and the hopes that they'd give them a great send off. Nostalgia is a powerful weapon. The band back together. If I were a betting man (which I am) I'll guarantee you that so many Star Trek fans will watch this again in a few years time and go, "what was I thinking?"







No. I will still love this season
 
No. I will still love this season

I loved seeing the Enterprise again; I genuinely did, to a certain extent. It was a hollow experience ultimately though because it's not like when Kirk saw the Enterprise in TMP. It doesn't have that impact because there's people dying now, right now, and we all know why. Get on with it.

And if I listed my other grievances with the episode we'd be here awhile. So poor.
 
Unfortunately it's a big yep. I was so looking forward to this season based on early reviews from youtubers whose opinions I've respected prior to this, along with my own love of TNG and the hopes that they'd give them a great send off. Nostalgia is a powerful weapon. The band back together. If I were a betting man (which I am) I'll guarantee you that so many Star Trek fans will watch this again in a few years time and go, "what was I thinking?"
As you say, nostalgia is a powerful weapon. This episode would have gotten a 2 or a 3 tops from me without the Enterprise D, but even I was pulled in by that, and so it got more than it was deserved based upon my genuine love for the glory days of TNG and all that was within it.

As we've seen, though, nostalgia is a funny thing. Give it 5 years, and a few people might say "meh, the last season was kind of shit." Give them 10 years, a whole slew of new series, and suddenly people will long for the days of Picard season 3 and its touch of home. It's cyclical.

For some people, reliving the best days of TNG with a new threat was more than enough to make this the best Star Trek they've ever watched, and that's perfectly okay. You won't feel that way, I won't feel that way, and others won't, but that's the beauty of it: we can dislike the direction the series took, and it doesn't really affect us outside of the normal fan issues we have with such things.

Look at all of the happy people, though. Look at how happy so many here are, how much it moved them, how many it brought to tears, and that's not even counting the series finale.

So in the end it won't really matter. Just take the best you can from it and let the rest go (outside of discussion, of course, otherwise there'd be no point in reruns).
 
I loved seeing the Enterprise again; I genuinely did, to a certain extent. It was a hollow experience ultimately though because it's not like when Kirk saw the Enterprise in TMP. It doesn't have that impact because there's people dying now, right now, and we all know why. Get on with it.



And if I listed my other grievances with the episode we'd be here awhile. So poor.

The fleet was already assimilated. The D is their only chance and yeah they had a bit of as awe reaction but they need to plan anyway. So there was no rush at the time.
 
When they revealed and entered 1701-D I cried enough tears to fill all the plotholes.

10/10 - 100% pure Fanservice and I love it.
The drop became the ocean.

Just after Geordi say "lights", and everyone stands looking towards the front of the bridge, Riker wanders over to check out the toilet door!
He did say in E1 that he has to pee more! :D

She runs to something, not away. And she seemed to be doing proper telepath counsellor stuff.
They probably have a rule, general order 47, that says: When you see a Borg ship, run to your nearest Captain and tell them.
 
I should give them a 3 out of 10 for bringing the Borg in, and the cheesy writing, but here is your 10.

Grumbles something about predictable writers, while tears are running down the checks.

Riker "She's beautiful." Yes indeed.

As I said in another thread, on paper, I would have LAUGHED at this script. You can't air this! Well son of a Tribble they did it anyway. I saw that last scene with the TNG crew on THEIR OG bridge, and the story disappeared. I didn't care what it was about, I just thought of the reaction of the actors when they first saw it. How emotional that must have been. Incredible. Stupid but sheer incredible.

Patrick's joke about the carpet was perfect, absolutely perfect. Because the fourth wall came down and that's what made it so cool. The writing/directing has been really superb. They've allowed these actors to essentially bring so much of their personal relationships with each other to the forefront.
 
As you say, nostalgia is a powerful weapon. This episode would have gotten a 2 or a 3 tops from me without the Enterprise D, but even I was pulled in by that, and so it got more than it was deserved based upon my genuine love for the glory days of TNG and all that was within it.

As we've seen, though, nostalgia is a funny thing. Give it 5 years, and a few people might say "meh, the last season was kind of shit." Give them 10 years, a whole slew of new series, and suddenly people will long for the days of Picard season 3 and its touch of home. It's cyclical.


For some people, reliving the best days of TNG with a new threat was more than enough to make this the best Star Trek they've ever watched, and that's perfectly okay. You won't feel that way, I won't feel that way, and others won't, but that's the beauty of it: we can dislike the direction the series took, and it doesn't really affect us outside of the normal fan issues we have with such things.































Look at all of the happy people, though. Look at how happy so many here are, how much it moved them, how many it brought to tears, and that's not even counting the series finale.































So in the end it won't really matter. Just take the best you can from it and let the rest go (outside of discussion, of course, otherwise there'd be no point in reruns).





It meant a lot to me. TNG was one of the few shining lights in my crap life to be honest. TNG was a comfortable place to go when I was a kid to get away from my troubles. Seeing the old ship and the crew on that bridge brought that comfort back. I'll never tire of it or change my mind. It means too much to me.
 
As you say, nostalgia is a powerful weapon. This episode would have gotten a 2 or a 3 tops from me without the Enterprise D, but even I was pulled in by that, and so it got more than it was deserved based upon my genuine love for the glory days of TNG and all that was within it.

As we've seen, though, nostalgia is a funny thing. Give it 5 years, and a few people might say "meh, the last season was kind of shit." Give them 10 years, a whole slew of new series, and suddenly people will long for the days of Picard season 3 and its touch of home. It's cyclical.

For some people, reliving the best days of TNG with a new threat was more than enough to make this the best Star Trek they've ever watched, and that's perfectly okay. You won't feel that way, I won't feel that way, and others won't, but that's the beauty of it: we can dislike the direction the series took, and it doesn't really affect us outside of the normal fan issues we have with such things.

Look at all of the happy people, though. Look at how happy so many here are, how much it moved them, how many it brought to tears, and that's not even counting the series finale.

So in the end it won't really matter. Just take the best you can from it and let the rest go (outside of discussion, of course, otherwise there'd be no point in reruns).

No, we'll never change how others ingest media and accept or don't accept it, but we can still voice our opinions. And I don't come from a place or anger or hate. I'm just sad. Never want to attack other fan's opinions but want to understand why they think this is a good show. As I've said prior to this, it was awful from the start and just getting worse.
 
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