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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"
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That was the last response I will give, you are correct.
This show was a roller ride and it certainly was a suprise about the twist with Jack and the Borg Queen was well done and alot of good Character Moments. I certainly was expecting what happened to the ships transporters and the borg Assimilation was revealed .It was scary how fast it happened.
I'm sorry about what happened to Captain Shaw and Admiral Shelby.I really liked this show alot I give it a 10.
I want to know how the Queen knew about Jack crusher all these years and wanted him to be the new voice of the borg.
That is not surprising at all. There is a real world precedent.
During the mid 1980s, President Reagan ordered the 600-ship Navy. Shipbuilders could not produce that many ships (obviously) so many of the expanded fleet's ships were World War II or post-World War II era ships, upgunned, with missiles and computers bolted on. Four of those ships were the four last Iowa class Battleships. Battleships were thought needed to provide cover for amphibious landing operations (a dubious proposition in the anti-ship missile era). So they were brought out of mothballs for the first time in 35 years, modernized and put to sea.
They were old yeah, but powerful in what they did and made capable with the additional tech. But their service was brief. They officially reentered service in 1984-1986, with two serving in the Gulf War in 1991, but when the Cold War ended in late 1991 / early 1992, they were rapidly decomissioned again, despite the recent upgrades.
The US Navy never really wanted them back. They didn't believe in its mission (partially technological - survival to cruise missiles, but also a bit political... shafting the marines). When you cut down to it, they didn't want to spend money on crewing and maintaining 50 year old battleships when they wanted to spend that money on new, state of the art guided missile cruisers. The Navy said the job of covering marines landing could be provided by airpower and destroyers.
Congress did not believe them. So while they allowed the battleships decommissioned, they ordered that they be maintained in a combat-ready state as museum ships, able to be rapidly reactivated in a crisis (30-60 days). This allowed them to be technically available, but uncrewed, shaving costs. But the Navy had to keep them in good enough shape to be reactivated.
After much fighting, Congress finally allowed their final strickening from the record 2002-2006, allowing the Navy to stop supporting them.
Point is, this is a great example of several history, powerful, but out of date ships that WERE modernized, were museum ships but kept "war ready within 30-60 days" as a contingency. Given the capabilities of the Galaxy class, which would still be substantial in 2401 barring a major technological advance, there is no reason that principle wouldn't apply to a ship as historic as the Enterprise D. One of the Battleships after all, was USS Missouri, where Japan surrendered to the Allies at the end of World War II. That is as famous as ships get, and analogous to the Enterprise D's historic role.
Another thing to consider is that by 2376, at the end of the Dominion War, Starfleet lost an enormous number of upgraded TMP-era ships - Excelsior, Mirandas and various kitbashes. It produced a lot (but less) of the "Battle of Sector 001" highly integrated "unibody" ships, which also saw steep losses. A lot of Galaxy's and Nebula's saw combat. Starfleet never seemed to own very many of the Ambassador-class "2320s-2340s" generation of ships. Similarly the "pre-Galaxy class" 2350s era ships (like the New Orleans class) seemed to be very rare and not produced in large numbers.
Starfleet in other words, looks very thin after 2376, especially of strategic depth. Which is why knowing what I know about history and applying it to Trek, preserving as many surviving 2360s-era ships like the Galaxy class, and 2370s Battle of Sector 001 ships as possible in "combat ready" state, would provide that depth.
Similarly, it makes loads of sense that the 2401 era sees a return to a modernized version of the modular design of the 2270s-2290s era of ship design. If you're going to produce a dramatically larger fleet to replace the losses of those modernized 23rd century ships, that would be the way to do it. And sure enough, we have seen commonality in nacells, secondary hulls and saucers that we didn''t see in the Battle of Sector 001-era, nor in the TNG era beyond the Galaxy/Nebula class. It's almost as if Starfleet learned a lesson when assessing its Dominion War losses and lessons learned, that building highly integrated ships like the Galaxy class, the Sovereign, the Intrepidm the Akira, the Defiant, the Saber, etc. will lead to slower builds and fewer ships, and they would have been screwed if they weren't able to crank out or reactivate a lot easy-to-build, modular 2270s-2290s designs. So they're doing it again in 2401, but with new tech.
But still, you'd want that strategic depth, from all the ships that weren't new and of that modular design. And that is why a fully mission ready Enterprise D (and probably Defiant too for the same reason), makes loads of sense.
Hang on, there is a set of Transporters that wasn't altered by the Changeling-Borg conspiracy.
Somehow, I think the Enterprise-D transporters and/or Biolfilters may be needed to remove the genetic alteration.
Somehow, I think the Enterprise-D transporters and/or Biolfilters may be needed to remove the genetic alteration.
Eh, I'm fine with that. If PIC S3 is basically TNG Reunion, then I don't really have a problem with one last roundup with the old TNG crew aboard the Enterprise-D while Seven and Raffi do Die Hard on a starship to retake the Titan.
Ro couldn't have known it wouldn't affect her. And who's to say the Borg genetic modifications wouldn't affect the Changelings? We don't know how it would interact with their bodies.
But in Star Trek, most officers get commissioned as ensigns at around the age of 23.
Like it or not, they established very early in the season that the Titan bridge crew mostly consists of junior officers. Add to that the fact that different species' prefrontal cortexes might finish developing a few years later than in Humans, and the fact that a lot of the Titan bridge crew aren't Human? You have a recipe for a lot of 20-something bridge officers to become Borg, and it's fairly consistent with typical Trek canon.
The bridge crews don't have to consist of Space Zoomers for them to seize control of ships relatively quickly. Those assimilations happened fast, there are young officers all over the ships, and nobody else even knows what's going on. All they know is that within thirty seconds, their junior officers go from being non-verbal to shooting everybody. It's completely plausible that between that and the Borg hacking the ships' computer systems that they'd be able to seize control of most bridges pretty fast.
I would assume that there are plenty of older officers still alive but in retreat and not in control of their ships.
I agree with this entirely. In fact, I think much of what happened in Generations, including Kirk's death, had to happen to make the movie thematically work. And frankly, the Galaxy class was a perfect 4:3 aspect ratio design (really, even better for TV than the original 1701) but future movie TNG demanded a long nacelled, cinematic new Enterprise.
But the way it all went down was just a poorly done. Really, my opinion of Generations and Nemesis are the same: there are great.. TRULY GREAT concepts for great Trek movies in there, but the script was assembled wrong.
That's an interesting real-world note, and I learnt something today! But I have to disagree here -- the D had crash landed and appeared to be a wreck. So it was not just a matter of maintaining her, but of rebuilding her, or near enough.
Devastating, but fair
I wonder if it didn't become fully active until the Changelings were working on their plan?
And we all knew he was going to eventually come around and respect Seven's identity. It's character development 101. But it was handled so sloppily here. He really decides to come around at the beginning of a new Borg invasion after being fatally shot by a Borg drone that used to be his own crewmember? That's when he decides to stop hating Seven for reminding him of Wolf 359?
Yeah but the Changelings might have begun their infiltration of Starfleet years before Jack started manifesting his mutant abilities.
That's great to know. But it's not surprising. A lot of the 90s era TV houses I believe used Lightwave 3D while the movies used Maya and I believe Maya is still the standard. I could be getting that backwards. In any event, it caused problems moving them between production houses even then. And the 90s CG was of such low fidelity for modern purposes, that the Eaglemoss models could only use them as starting points for lines and sizing.
Really, those Eaglemoss models are the ones that should be saved as well, because they are all the direct successors of the 90s CGI models. That said, it's not known by us (Samuel Cockings probably knows) if they are "production ready" beyond stills for print magazines.
The period age-of-sail costumes were likely rented, but location shooting on the ship most certainly wasn't cheap.
I can see why Taylor felt they needed a crew introduction, presumably there was a thought that TOS movie fans and other general audience members might need one; however, the sailing ship thing was probably not the best way to do it. The holodeck didn't come up later in the film, so there was no reason to introduce it as a concept, and it made the crew seem overly frivolous. They should have introduced the crew by showing everyone doing their jobs as they approached the Armagosa array or something.
Realistically, they should be thousands of miles apart. Strangely enough, due to the limitations of the technology in the 60s, TOS probably had the most realistic space battles, everything since then has all of the combatants silly close.
I dunno man, that seems like a pretty big thing to only be relying on drones for!
The way I'm seeing it is that it ultimately shouldn't matter for the Changelings whether Jack's abilities are awakened or not, his main utility that we saw on screen is being plugged into the Borg hive mind when the Queen is ready to send the signal to everyone who expresses the receiver gene. The fact that he can telepathically control other people is probably just a side effect.
And I'm using expression here because I interpreted it as the gene being CRISPR'd into everyone using a transporter (and then passing it on to their offspring) but actually expressing it relies on the prefrontal cortex still being in formation, so that the neural pathways that react to the Borg assimilation signal could be created in their brains. Probably junk science, but hey, it's Star Trek.
And I'm using expression here because I interpreted it as the gene being CRISPR'd into everyone using a transporter (and then passing it on to their offspring) but actually expressing it relies on the prefrontal cortex still being in formation, so that the neural pathways that react to the Borg assimilation signal could be created in their brains. Probably junk science, but hey, it's Star Trek.
OH snap - that is definitely long game thinking. That's an extinction level pandemic event issue.
I kept going back and forth as to why the transporter chiefs had to be replaced, why that wasn't locked down code, and so on. But more than a few episodes have shown that messing with the transporters solved problems so Starfleet obviously has decided to leave it open architechture. The flip side to that is why the changelings can't do it centrally and have had to work ship by ship, base by base, etc.
Another YouTube advance reviewer has confirmed Shaw and Shelby
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They also said the odds of Star Trek: Legacy now are like 0.01111%
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They also said the odds of Star Trek: Legacy now are like 0.01111%