The only reason I suspect Data is just a *touch* more robotic is because of him being able to project the holodisplay in E6 and having the ODN connection plugged into his neck in E7 and E8
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x08 - "Surrender"
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The only reason I suspect Data is just a *touch* more robotic is because of him being able to project the holodisplay in E6 and having the ODN connection plugged into his neck in E7 and E8
And the fact that he's the fastest computer they could find.
That is why we saw the display of Datas neural net go from progressive red, to solid blue. It was meant to unmistakably show that Data is Data and that there is no villiany within him.
He's definitely not the same. It's a newer body created by Altan, the same Altan who created various models of sentient androids in the Coppelius colony. The original Data is certainly in there and has overall control but it's a Data that has progressed maybe 80-90% closer to human, both in body and mind. Both changes are easily observable.
This makes the Data in Picard much closer to it's original intention this far into it's future.
Right, but in those examples they haven't partially merged with someone else. At first I thought Data was going to be something like Tuvix, albeit with Data in the lead.
Of course. Why worry about an adroid who can mimic voices perfectly?
We've known he holds a captain's rank since the character posters.
What's the deal with him saying he's a "subcontractor' for Starfleet Intelligence? At first I was worried they were going the section 31 route, glad they didn't.
I mean it is as it sounds. He's not part of Starfleet intelligence, she's just working with them.
Ro was his handler, I guess she wanted someone she trusted.
if you were high as balls all the time (I'm guessing from chronic pain), you'd be acting like the original joker too....just saying...
Missed the part about these Changlings not being like Laas, Odo and the others, eh?
Data gave Lore all the things he 'loved' or 'valued' for lack of a better word, which I took symbolically to mean that Data allowed Lore to take him over, because then he would also take on Data's ethical subroutines and essentially 'become' Data, thus merging them into one with the 'good' parts of Lore included (basically just his wit and contractions).
Honestly? It was just being polite because you seem to have the same issue Cortez did a bit earlier, where you'd apparently not properly watched the episode and not picked up on a bunch of the points that they either a) quite clearly state outright screen or b) show through actions and dialogue.
Demanding things line by line.
Data basically gave Lore everything, every experience, every cherished memory and through that, changed him completely. He used Lore's own desire for trophies to keep and triumphantly look back on to completely overwhelm him and change his perspective as a being and so incorporate him into a new personality with Data at the core.
This new aspect is also demonstrated to us immediately with Datas dialogue to Vadic and Co.
It is then reinforced to us via dialogue in the next scene in which he points out that yes, while Data is Data he also has the sum experiences of B4 and Lore and can now be considered human in his behaviour.
‘Evolution is addition’ said A Soong.
It was both Lore and Data as the primary core, but as Lore did not like to share, he snookered himself into the Data Ascendancy. Data’s ethical subroutines prevent him harming Lore, but not from allowing Lore to rewrite himself essentially out of existence. You can even argue that Lore himself went peacefully at that point, surrendering his claim to the body with the realisation of what he was about to do to Data. Though it is worth mentioning that inside the mindscape, Data did refer to them as ‘we’ during the once-again touching ‘goodbye brother’.
It is nuanced, but the end result is not, thanks to the Soong Defrag program Geordi had.
Tuvok Changeling: All right, it's Frontier Day! The Federation is going to burn!
Janeway Changeling: Hahahaha!
Tuvok Changeling: Wait, I don't get it. Nothing's happening. Where's Vadic?
Vadic's Boss: Vadic? Vadic? Vadic, I order you to message me at once!
Janeway Changeling: If they killed Vadic, why haven't we heard more from them?
Tuvok Changeling: They took the logical course of action, which was to do nothing. Without Jack, we cannot accomplish our plans for Frontier Day. Possibly they are vacationing on Risa or Orion until Frontier Day is over.
Vadic's Boss: Can we still, uh, fly all the ships into the sun or something?
Janeway Changeling: Hahahaha!
Tuvok Changeling: Wait, I don't get it. Nothing's happening. Where's Vadic?
Vadic's Boss: Vadic? Vadic? Vadic, I order you to message me at once!
Janeway Changeling: If they killed Vadic, why haven't we heard more from them?
Tuvok Changeling: They took the logical course of action, which was to do nothing. Without Jack, we cannot accomplish our plans for Frontier Day. Possibly they are vacationing on Risa or Orion until Frontier Day is over.
Vadic's Boss: Can we still, uh, fly all the ships into the sun or something?
There's a few of them in this thread this week.
"YEAH BUT WHAT ABOUT"
"It was covered in this scene."
"YEAH BUT WHY-"
"Covered in this scene."
"THEN W-"
"That scene."
It's not polite, and I don't appreciate it. I think the Data thing makes some sense, though it is very murky. But I think the whole thing with Vadic's crew (there seemed to be some on the Shrike when the alarm went off, so they had to leg it... did Worf etc kill them all? why didn't the alarm reach Vadic?) and the shields is totally unexplained and doesn't make that much sense.
And then made it doubly more clear
"We..are now me" Singular. Clear. Succinct.
The memories of Lore, Laal, B4 and Alton Soong now are part of Data, but does not make Data not Data.
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