Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"

[urbandefault]

Umm…no. It’s fiction, all of which is set in…the future (future…future…)

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[Weyoun 251]

Wrong. Kirk tried to save Kruge. Kirk said "give me your hand".When he did Kruge grabbed his leg instead and started to pull Kirk over the edge with him. So Kirk had no choice at that point.

We are talking about two different instances.

I don't disagree with what happened to Kruge but that was after he had beamed a load of Klingons onto the Enterprise and blown her up

 

[Noname Given]

Agreed on nearly all counts! I think my main problem with the season 1 new characters was that they were all so cheesy and overdone. Rios was probably the best of the bunch by the end, but still... when we are introduced to him he's self-treating some kind of impact wound with alcohol? Lame. I don't know how true it is, but there is a vibe that Stewart imposed all these changes and has been forced to backtrack to make it more like TNG.

It's a real shame because done properly, many of the new characters could have fitted in nicely to this season. Laris could have used her Romulan contacts to see if the changelings had spread there; Rios could have been another captain they check in with (along with Tuvok).

As much as I dislike her, Raffi has done that nicely this season. Though it does mean a slight bit of small universe syndrome... apparently by complete coincidence, the only intelligence officer investigating the infiltration is Picard's former bridge officer, and her operatives on the ground are another of his former bridge officers, and his former attache/time-travelling companion.

Patrick Stewart wasn't 'forced' to do anything. If anything Paramount bent over backwards (filming in L.A.; allowing him creative input in the writers room, and a producing credit) - and they wanted an open commitment but he agreed to 3 seasons and done.

And no, Stewart didn't ever want to do a 'TNG Reunion' like this on his series, as he thought that would be repetitive; but, by Season 3, when Terry Matalas (who was also responsible for all we saw in PICARD S2 - so the sudden 'He's AMAZING; replace Kurtzman with him instead for ALL current streaming Trek..." that many fans are wanting is IMO hilarious) approached and pitched him his idea of a TNG cast reuinion and final sendoff - Mr. Stewart was open/receptive and agreed to it; so they did it.

 

[TRON JA307020]

We are talking about two different instances.















I don't disagree with what happened to Kruge but that was after he had beamed a load of Klingons onto the Enterprise and blown her up

I also explained about that too. Remember the Klingons had destroyed the Grissom just before Kirk showed up.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's a bit weird though, because he remembers the spray under the waterfall too.

I do agree though, despite McFadden doing a surprisingly good job selling it, the disapperance and secret kid for 20 years thing sticks out like a sore thumb, if they can tie that into Jack's background in a satisfying way that will be good.

I had to laugh when she said he was enrolled in school in London though. That means (depending on time period) he was only a few hundred miles away from JL.

He got closer than that, at one point,

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

And no, Stewart didn't ever want to do a 'TNG Reunion' like this on his series, as he thought that would be repetitive; but, by Season 3, when Terry Matalas (who was also responsible for all we saw in PICARD S2 - so the sudden 'He's AMAZING; replace Kurtzman with him instead for ALL current streaming Trek..." that many fans are wanting is IMO hilarious) approached and pitched him his idea of a TNG cast reuinion and final sendoff - Mr. Stewart was open/receptive and agreed to it; so they did it.

You say this with such certainty, as if you have inside info -- is there a book reference or something I can read?

 

[Weyoun 251]

I also explained about that too. Remember the Klingons had destroyed the Grissom just before Kirk showed up.

Oh yeah, I don't disagree that it was needs must but it was a shithouse move.

Anyway mate, no harm no foul we were just talking at cross purposes initially

 

[Noname Given]

You say this with such certainty, as if you have inside info -- is there a book reference or something I can read?

Yes, various interviews with Stewart himself and PICARD production staff over the past 3 years. Nothing I've said is 'new' information.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Welp... So much for BImeme...

Did not age well.

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

I dunno, I think he's aged pretty well -- we should all hope to be in his shape when we are his age!

 

[Turtletrekker]

I don't see it so much as a "sequel" as I do a "victory lap".

 

[137th Gebirg]

I dunno, I think he's aged pretty well -- we should all hope to be in his shape when we are his age!

I don't mean Mr. Stewart hadn't aged well (and I agree with you that he generally looks pretty good for his age), I'm referring to the fact that Picard at its outset was specifically said, by all participants involved, to not be a TNG sequel. S3 is basically just that and damn near everyone loves it. A humorous irony.

I don't see it so much as a "sequel" as I do a "victory lap".

Yeah, that works too.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't see it so much as a "sequel" as I do a "victory lap".

Perhaps a celebration of an era would be more precise.

I don't know. People seem to love it for reasons.

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

Perhaps a celebration of an era would be more precise.

I don't know. People seem to love it for reasons.

I'm very curious about the demographics of Star Trek fans. Are there many who didn't watch TNG or DS9 as a child or teen, now being mid-30s or older? You can see how that would favour a push to a more nostalgia-based community. Star Wars, ont he other hand, picked up a lot of younger fans with the prequel movies.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm very curious about the demographics of Star Trek fans. Are there many who didn't watch TNG or DS9 as a child or teen, now being mid-30s or older? You can see how that would favour a push to a more nostalgia-based community. Star Wars, ont he other hand, picked up a lot of younger fans with the prequel movies.

I'm 38 going to be 39. I grew up with TOS on VHS and reading TOS novels and Mego figures. I did not like TNG, and I did not warm to DS9 until much later.

 

[BBC 2 6pm]

I'm 38 going to be 39. I grew up with TOS on VHS and reading TOS novels and Mego figures. I did not like TNG, and I did not warm to DS9 until much later.

Despite being solidly middle-aged, you are probably one of the younger TOS fans I suspect!

 

[Romulan_spy]

I'm very curious about the demographics of Star Trek fans. Are there many who didn't watch TNG or DS9 as a child or teen, now being mid-30s or older? You can see how that would favour a push to a more nostalgia-based community. Star Wars, ont he other hand, picked up a lot of younger fans with the prequel movies.

This survey is from 2011 so it is pretty old but the respondents were mostly single, over 40, and well-educated.

https://www.mtv.com/news/m0qnf3/mor...-to-new-survey-demographics-of-star-trek-fans

 

[Racefuel]

I'm very curious about the demographics of Star Trek fans. Are there many who didn't watch TNG or DS9 as a child or teen, now being mid-30s or older? You can see how that would favour a push to a more nostalgia-based community. Star Wars, ont he other hand, picked up a lot of younger fans with the prequel movies.

37 years old here, born ‘May of 85. Started watching TOS reruns as a child, first movie in theaters was TUC. Started watching TNG at the beginning of season 6. Watched all of DS9, Voyager and Enterprise during their original runs.

 

[Nerys Myk]

F’ing old here. Watched TOS first run as a child. Watched every show. From the start. VOY was the only one I bailed on.

 

[Soong-type Android]

I did not warm to DS9 until much later.

Same.