Thanks for your apology. It's not often that I ever get a sorry for other people's bad behaviour towards myself but I will not turn yours away either!
JB
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"
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Thanks for your apology. It's not often that I ever get a sorry for other people's bad behaviour towards myself but I will not turn yours away either!
JB
It’s in the Starfleet directives that if you do go rogue, you must wear these special clothes. That way it’s clear to other Starfleet personnel that you’re a renegade.
Nothing you see in the episodes is a reaction to reception by fans.
All of it was filmed way before it ever aired.
that was my point…
Could be. But why this set of parents?
Why the former head of Starfleet medical and an Admiral?
The weirder question is how and when.
I suspect it wasn’t Picard under that waterfall. At least, not all the time.
Beverly’s wouldn’t be the first alien being pregnancy surprise in the series after all…
It's a bit weird though, because he remembers the spray under the waterfall too.
I do agree though, despite McFadden doing a surprisingly good job selling it, the disapperance and secret kid for 20 years thing sticks out like a sore thumb, if they can tie that into Jack's background in a satisfying way that will be good.
I had to laugh when she said he was enrolled in school in London though. That means (depending on time period) he was only a few hundred miles away from JL.
I do agree though, despite McFadden doing a surprisingly good job selling it, the disapperance and secret kid for 20 years thing sticks out like a sore thumb, if they can tie that into Jack's background in a satisfying way that will be good.
I had to laugh when she said he was enrolled in school in London though. That means (depending on time period) he was only a few hundred miles away from JL.
A Tale of Two Cities, with deep Trek irony.
Wrong. Kirk tried to save Kruge. Kirk said "give me your hand".When he did Kruge grabbed his leg instead and started to pull Kirk over the edge with him. So Kirk had no choice at that point.
I don't see the relevance of this: one is about killing the Klingons who boarded the Enterprise (which is false surrender, a war crime), the other is about the Klingon on the planet.
The klingons had already killed one of their party and were going to take the Enterprise as a prize as well as its records on genesis. So the Enterprise had to be destroyed. If the klingons were smart they would have gotten beamed back to klingon ship instead of watching the countdown.
And I like Dahj. Or Soji.
It does seem that despite the fact this story has apparently been in the writerly pickle jar a long time, so much of it also plays as a reaction to series one:
Data can come back!
Here’s the Trois, in a relevant way!
The TNG crew have had kids!
Picard is Picard!
With a lot of gentle nudges and ‘fixes’. It’s going to have dealt with the Trois grief rather than just using it as a plot point, characters with emotional and historical connections are going to be drawn together rather than noticeably ignored, Picard is looking likely to face Picard to definitively show us he is the same man after everything rather than tell us, Data is back for the most part — and if he goes, it will be with leaving or becoming a legacy rather than just a void — and characters are being developed.
I *liked* Rios, and felt he had a good ending etc, but Shaw seems to be an example of how you can more organically attach a character like Rios to the story being told around Picard without convenient things to tie them into the immediate plot.
Even borrowing the Changelings from DS9 and that tapestry of nineties Trek is being done in a more cohesive way than series one and it’s Fantasy TV Romulans — one part game of thrones, one part space elf with a sword — without seeming inorganic. I think I would agree that at times the story would be better served by at least one face from DS9, but some of those actors are harder to get than others. (And let’s be honest, Tim Russ deserved a phone call, so much of modern trek has been very similar to what he was trying to get off the ground in Renegades)
The season also isn’t over yet, and I would not be surprised to see someone show up, though it may also be that they being held in reserve for a post-Picard show. We can hold out hope for Kira the Space-Pope maybe.
Agreed on nearly all counts! I think my main problem with the season 1 new characters was that they were all so cheesy and overdone. Rios was probably the best of the bunch by the end, but still... when we are introduced to him he's self-treating some kind of impact wound with alcohol? Lame. I don't know how true it is, but there is a vibe that Stewart imposed all these changes and has been forced to backtrack to make it more like TNG.
It's a real shame because done properly, many of the new characters could have fitted in nicely to this season. Laris could have used her Romulan contacts to see if the changelings had spread there; Rios could have been another captain they check in with (along with Tuvok).
As much as I dislike her, Raffi has done that nicely this season. Though it does mean a slight bit of small universe syndrome... apparently by complete coincidence, the only intelligence officer investigating the infiltration is Picard's former bridge officer, and her operatives on the ground are another of his former bridge officers, and his former attache/time-travelling companion.
It's a real shame because done properly, many of the new characters could have fitted in nicely to this season. Laris could have used her Romulan contacts to see if the changelings had spread there; Rios could have been another captain they check in with (along with Tuvok).
As much as I dislike her, Raffi has done that nicely this season. Though it does mean a slight bit of small universe syndrome... apparently by complete coincidence, the only intelligence officer investigating the infiltration is Picard's former bridge officer, and her operatives on the ground are another of his former bridge officers, and his former attache/time-travelling companion.
It is a bit small universe, but by the same token if you squint it makes sense — of course Ro would go to Worf, and it’s likely Worf knows of Raffi in some capacity through Picard. There’s always something that can be used to check for Changeling, even if it’s just checking what tea Picard drinks.
A recurring problem for the TNG stories since First Contact wrapped has been a degree of pandering to Stewart and Spiner, very similar to Shatner and Nimoy on the TOS movies. Which is a problem, because TNG is an ensemble, but also can be less of a problem because by and large there is friendship between this cast.
The one small universe thing is the attack happening on Raffi’s home world to put her into the deep cover for the investigation.
I don’t think it’s her home world, but it is — by a massive coincidence — where her former family is. Of course, it’s entirely possible that’s deliberate, since Picard and his family are at the centre of plans, and Raffi is a known associate.
But the truth is, stuff like that happens all the time in real life too.
I think he’s innocent that time. He hangs about with a more Klingon than Klingon all the time.
